If A Vote For Ukip Is A Vote For Labour Why Are They So Against Them?

[anotheoldgit]

Be interesting to know.

[agchristie]

Interesting article here:-

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/10/ukips-assault-is-hitting-labours-core-vote-all-bets-are-off-at-the-general-election/

[jno]

why's who against them? "A vote for Ukip is a vote for Labour" is Cameron's reading of it, and his attempt to scare Tory voters back into the fold. But Miliband might claim that a vote for Ukip is a vote for the Tories, on the same basis. We don't have to take any party leader's word as gospel.

[saintpeter48]

I really dont understand Camerons logic in saying this, tactical voting has always been a part of politics, I certainly would vote tactically to oust the Tories, that is my right in a democratic society! I have always voted Labour but feel a change is needed, so I'm going to jump on the revolution bandwagon and vote UKIP.

[ChillDoubt]

Good link ag. As is being said, the other parties had better wake up to the fact that UKIP can pretty much consider themselves part of the main 3 now, as the Lib Dems are in free-fall.
All this 'vote UKIP get Labour' rubbish isn't fooling anyone.
As Farage says, with their meteoric rise in the last 12 months it can now be a case of 'vote UKUP, get UKIP'.
Mainstream politicians have had their day, the electorate have had enough, they want their concerns addressed and expect and deserve hands-on, accountable MP's.
From the Clacton result one would surmise that voters went for Carswell because he does a good job as their elected member and when he crossed the floor they went on the reputation of the man, not his party's politics. Given that he joined a party that appears to address the concerns of the ordinary man in the street, they really were onto a winner.
How many more will defect before May I wonder?

[mikey4444]

saintpeter...do you think UKIP have any chance at all, of winning a majority next May ? I haven't found anybody that thinks they do, but you could be the first.

If you think that they haven't, why waste a vote a vote on a party that can't win ?

[dannyk13]

I think that what Cameron is afraid of is that votes for UKIP will come from the Tories leaving the door open for Labour.

[ChillDoubt]

why waste a vote a vote on a party that can't win ?
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You mean Labour, right?

[-Talbot-]

Why do you keep repeating 'why waste a vote a vote on a party that can't win ?'

Mikey?
It is the only way to express your dissatisfaction surely?

[Cloverjo]

I agree with saintpeter. I'm a Labour supporter and have always voted Labour except at the last election, when I tactically voted LibDem. I can't do that again, so have been tentatively thinking about Ukip, but don't really like the idea of it. Not sure what to do really. Labour always trails in at a very distant third in my constituency.

[dannyk13]

Any vote is not wasted. If UKIP gain a few seats and the Tories and Labour have a close finish, then it is possible that UKIP will at times have a deciding vote

[ChillDoubt]

You ever had a flutter on the Grand National mikey?

Under the current trends, dissatisfaction, deceit, dirty-tricks, smears, ineptitude and dismissive attitudes next May could prove to be very Foinavon-esque year for British politics.
As I posted on another thread just after Carswell won:

The Green Party leader gave the best assessment. She said that the electorate have had enough of the same old, same old from the 3 main parties(though how the Lib Dems are still considered such is laughable) and tonight has seen a massive sea change in UK politics.
Furthermore, she projected that next May will be the most remarkable in British history and after tonight I've no reason to doubt her.

[mikey4444]

Cloverjo...If you are a Labour voter and you live in a constituency where Labour is unlikely to win, then you must vote tactically. Its not always easy but its the only way to try to ensure that the Tories don't get in again, which, as a Labour supporter, I don't suppose you wish to see happen !

[Retrochic]

As a staunch UKIP supporter and benefactor I'm under no illusions that we will get a majority at the general election. However, I believe it is possible, if everyone that thinks about voting UKIP actually does, then there is the remotest of chance of a coalition being formed with UKIP and the Tories. Whatever happens there will be more UKIP bums on seats that's for sure, which is the first step.

[Sqad]

mikey...no! no!...I don't see the plight of Cloverjo that way at all.

if she is a Labour supporter....a true Labour supporter and her party always comes third, then she should vote Labour and she will not be disappointed.

[mikey4444]

Talbot...If you vote for a Party that can't win you are just making yourself feel smug, because it will be a empty gesture and nobody else will notice. You might as well vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party, or any other of the no hopers that appear on the ballot papers every now and then. See my answer just now to Cloverjo.

[-Talbot-]

Cloverjo...If you are a Labour voter and you live in a constituency where Labour is unlikely to win, then you must vote tactically



So you vote for a party that cannot win?

[ChillDoubt]

Cloverjo...If you are a Labour voter and you live in a constituency where Labour is unlikely to win, then you must vote tactically.
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Pathetic! Why should Cloverjo vote like that? Surely the whole idea of voting in a democratic society is that you vote for the party that most appeals to you and addresses your concerns and the issues you deem to be most important??
Or in mikeyworld should we only be allowed to vote red or blue? As is stands at the moment you can't put a Rizla between them. Ironically, if you mix red and blue you get purple, the colour of UKIP! LOL

[-Talbot-]

According to you mikey any other party other than Con/lab should disband now?

[mikey4444]

Sqad...I agree to a certain extent. I have been lucky always to have lived in Labour constituencies, so tactical voting has never been necessary. But if I lived somewhere that had a Tory MP, and I thought that voting LibDem would help to unseat this MP, then I would do it.

If I had to vote UKIP to do the same thing I might even hold my nose, shut my eyes and vote UKIP, although I will have my fingers crossed behind my back when I did it. Similar if I lived in Scotland and to unseat a Tory MP, I needed to vote for the SNP.

Difficult choices but if I didn't want the Tories to win, and I don't and never have, that is what I would have to do.