No Deal In Sight For The Tories And The Snp.

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-30061564

Ms Sturgeon is asking the Scots to vote SNP and ditch Labour. But she has also said that she will never do a deal with the Tories, if they need help with a coalition again. Mixed messages perhaps ?

Or a secret message for Ed here ?

[Zacs-Master]

Is she under the illusion that the 'yes' vote won?

'"Scotland did vote Labour at the last general election, but we still ended up with the Tories - and if the people of England vote Tory again next May, it won't matter how we vote."
Well, you'd better be prepared then cos thatswhatllhappen.

[mikey4444]

Well, if enough people turn from Labour to SNP, it may make a Tory victory more likely in 2015. So Ms Sturgeon, and Scotland for that matter, need to decide if they want another Tory administration or not.

But I think that she will be prepared to do a deal with Labour, if she is called upon to be next years kingmaker.

[Zacs-Master]

But will the 'dinosaurs' be prepared to do a deal with her?

[mikey4444]

Morning Zacs !

It fairly obvious to me that both Labour and the Tories will do a deal with practically anyone, if they need to get into power next May. Personally I hope that Labour would never contemplate doing a deal with UKIP, for obvious reasons, but even that crossing of the Rubicon may have to happen, to stop the Tories from gaining a second 5 year term. I still maintain that UKIP will not have enough MPs to be effective.

But if the Polls can be believed, its the SNP that will be calling the tune, and this statement from Ms Sturgeon rather says that she may very well be prepared to stop that second Tory term from happening.

In all my years, I cannot recall such uncertainty this close to an election. Even in the 70's it wasn't this strange.

[anotheoldgit]

I can see what might happen here and that is if their is a hung parliament, the SNP will join in a Labour/SNP coalitition it's their only hope for Scotland's independence.

Therefore a vote for Labour will be a vote for Scotland's Independence.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2835035/Scotland-s-outgoing-minister-Alex-Salmond-insists-Nicola-Sturgeon-make-history-lead-Scotland-independence-hands-reins.html

[Zacs-Master]

Morning Mikey. Yes, very strange times indeed. Brought on by the two main parties being too similar and politicians being namby pamby instead of statesmen.

[mikey4444]

I agree AOG ( ! )

But the Scots have to realise that the independence referendum was lost, as so few of them voted yes. They can't keep coming back every year or so into the future to have another go. The SNP just didn't make a good enough case for independence, which is why they lost the vote. They can't expect to keep moving the goalposts until they win.

The best way forward for the Scots is to have a Labour administration at Westminster, and they is why so many Scottish MPs have been Labour since 1997. The Tories are clearly not in any way popular north of the Border.

[Zacs-Master]

"They can't expect to keep moving the goalposts until they win"

Are you sure about that?

[mikey4444]

Well, the SNP THINK they can Zacs, but thinking and doing are not the same thing. I have to accept that the genie is out of the bottle here and won't be put back in.

But my personal view is that Scotland will never have independence in my life time, and I am nearly 62.

[douglas9401]

Wee Nikki needs to get on with the business of clearing out the control freaks in the parliamentary party so we can once again go about our business without being eyed suspiciously by the almost paramilitary force that has replaced our old separate police services and scrap the ridiculous law that could criminalise half of the population who were rash enough to have two glasses of wine with dinner the night before.

[mikey4444]

Thanks Douglas !

[ToraToraTora]

well she can't do a deal with Labour without alienating her own voters.

[anneasquith]

mikey,,,,,,,,,,,,,, '' as so few of them voted yes'' really 55%----45%?

[sivam]

Is it fact or fiction that our deluded leader is staying at gleneagles hotel during his party conference in Perth at a cost to the taxpayer in excess of £1500 per night. Cheered to the rafters after failing on every count. Referendum - Health - Education - and disastrously of all Scotlands Police Force. How can he hoodwink so many Scottish people. Very worrying.

[ichkeria]

This situation illustrates the dreadful damage done to UK politics by the reckless concessions made by Cameron to the nationalists in a panic before the referendum.
It is not odd that Sturgeon rules out a deal with the Tories, and of course it IS odd (but inevitable) that the SNP in Scotland would do a deal (or at least "work with") Labour nationally while opposing them locally.
But there is no way that Labour will suddenly turn round now and offer the SNP another referendum, especially as it is obvious that there would be a Yes vote.
So Scotland is doomed maybe to be another Catalonia, forever holding pointless opinion polls masquerading as referenda.

[ToraToraTora]

this won't help either!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-30061564

[New Judge]

'"Scotland did vote Labour at the last general election, but we still ended up with the Tories - and if the people of England vote Tory again next May, it won't matter how we vote."

My street voted for the Tories in 1997 and looked what happened to us. I'm afraid Ms Sturgeon must accept that, less than two months ago, the Scots voted, by quite a substantial margin on an extremely high turnout, to stay as part of the UK. So long as they remain so - and they cannot suggest that the majority of them don't - they are almost certain to end up with a government which may not suit all of them (just like my street did in 1997).

"...scrap the ridiculous law that could criminalise half of the population who were rash enough to have two glasses of wine with dinner the night before."

What law are you referring to, Douglas?

As with any coalition an SNP/whoever deal will be disastrous. You only have to look at the last four years to see what coalitions lead to. They lead to weak government where everybody gets what nobody wants. As the LibDems (who came a poor third) have called the tune on many occasions during the current Parliament so the SNP (who will be the choice of a fairly small proportion of less than 10% of the population) will do the same whenever they are handed the keys to number 10. Hardly a good advert for democracy.

What is needed is less "devolution" and for Scotland to align more closely with the rest of the UK. And a start could be made by abandoning the outrageous Barnett Formula, solving the West Lothian question (cue: QM to jump in with his bit about the English bishops) and treating the Scots as a part of the UK instead of a separate tribe needing special treatment.

[mikey4444]

anneasquith....

4,283,392 could have voted in the Referendum, and the turn-out was 84.59%. This is a good turn out compared to elections, but 1,617,392 voted YES, which is only 37.77%.

So, only just over a third of the Scottish electorate votes YES...hardly a ringing endorsement for independence.

If the Scots think that they can keep on asking for independence until someone gives it to them, then they are sadly misled. The SNP had their chance and they blew it.

[mushroom25]

//If the Scots think that they can keep on asking for independence until someone gives it to them, then they are sadly misled.//

it worked for the irish in the eu treaty vote - just keep asking until you get the right answer.