Does This Type Of Thing Alienate Others Against The Lgbt, Rather Than Attract Their Support?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/choir-stages-mass-singalong-on-tram-in-solidarity-with-victims-of-homophobic-attack-9869080.html

[Svejk]

Well, lets put it this way, sp, I don't think Motty will be looking over his shoulder(if he still commentates)

[sp1814]

Svejk

I better leave footie analogies alone then!

[sp1814]

It all depends on the person - most normal people on hearing why the choir were there would be disgusted on hearing about the attack.

Of course, there are also a small number of abnormal people who either wouldn't care, or even secretly think that gay people shouldn't even protest these attacks - but that's the essence of 'abnormality'.

[Gromit]

Metrolink trams have CCTV throughout, so why haven't the couple who initiated this been caught?

Watching two young men being beaten the crap out of in Puccadilly Gardens is going to alienate commuters more than a bit of singing. Tram Passengers interviewed on the local television were not alienated, nor those interviewed in the Manchester Evening News.

[Daffy6543]

I hate musicals and would have been quite annoyed if I had to listen to this, my only options would have been to get off the tram or put up with the row.

[sp1814]

Gromit

Hopefully the traction this follow up story has generated will give the original story wider publicity leading to arrests. Which is something I reckon has greater importance than the 'discomfort' of a few tram passengers.

[Gromit]

They might have been better singing more contemporary tunes.
Just enforces the Gays and Musicals stereotype.

[jim360]

What's wrong with Wicked? Been to see it twice, enjoyed it both times...

[Gromit]

Sp1814,

The attack occurred at 1am, so it is fair to assume it is alcohol related. The two lads were annoying fellow passengers by singing on the tram, possibly because they were drunk. Other passengers were also drunk and objected. That is not excusing the beating, but they were possibly attacked for being annoying, not for being gay.

So I am not sure it is necessarily a homophobic attack.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Padant

/// AOG's mother told him about that when he went out trick-or-treating last week. ///

My Mother has long passed away, bless her soul, and had never heard of trick or threat, and neither had I in my boyhood.

[sp1814]

Gromit

I'm thinking that it was specifically a gay hate attack because the attackers were shouting gay slurs, and this is what's in the police report.

[sp1814]

Also - the fact that another group performed a follow-up attack (15 against 2) would suggest that this was more than a simple late night contretemps.

There are those who see homophobia where there is none - but we should be wary of not seeing it where it DOES exist.

15 straight people beating up two gay people whilst shouting gay slurs may very well qualify as a homophobic attack.

If it doesn't, I'm not sure what does...

[Mamyalynne]

I thought that was wonderful and a perfect response to a nasty and unnecessary attack.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// It all depends on the person - most normal people on hearing why the choir were there would be disgusted on hearing about the attack. ///

/// Of course, there are also a small number of abnormal people who either wouldn't care, or even secretly think that gay people shouldn't even protest these attacks - but that's the essence of 'abnormality'. ///

Oh so we have to take your word for it that it was indeed an homophobic attack or be labelled abnormal.

This is the problem with certain minority groups you either have to agree with everything they say and do or be labelled Bigots, Racist, or Homophobic.

Has been said before if they want to mingle with the rest or treated on an equal basis, why the constant need to stand out from the rest and shout we are different hence this LGBT choir, straight people do not find this need.

Perhaps you could clear things up for us all by supplying us with the report of the 'homophobic' attack?

[Mamyalynne]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/pals-subjected-horrifying-homophobic-attack-8036994

[Mamyalynne]

From your own link (OP)

//When the victims got off the tram at Piccadilly Gardens, they were allegedly beaten by a mob of 15 men who also yelled homophobic abuse, and were described to police as black or mixed race.

Inspector Phil Spurgeon said Greater Manchester police (GMP) are treating the attack as a homophobic hate crime.//

[-Talbot-]

When the victims got off the tram at Piccadilly Gardens, they were allegedly beaten by a mob of 15 men who also yelled homophobic abuse, and were described to police as black or mixed race.


What a dilemma, I can't wait for the OP's next post.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

Thank you, yes I suppose I should;d have read the whole link

/// Kath Fox, MLGC co-chair told the Guardian that the event was “a way for us to reach out to Jo and Jake and to assure them we will defend the right to safe passage on public transport for all people, especially those from the LGBT community”. ///

Oh especially those from the LGBT community”?????????????

Surely everyone should be treated equally?

There is a lot unanswered here, how did the young man and his female partner know that these two were in fact gay?

Are there any witnesses that have come forward stating for certain that homophobic insults were in fact thrown, was there any provocation by the two young lads?

Who were this gang of blacks and mixed race?

Why aren't the police also classing this a racial attack?

It would appear that the gang of 15 men did the physical damage to these two gay lads, whereas the the man and his female companion dished out the homophobic insults.