Another 34 Billion Reasons...

[bazwillrun]

to get out asap....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11255493/UK-faces-34bn-bill-for-blackhole-in-EU-budget.html

They will take every penny you earn if given half a chance....

[JackKnife]

No one has ever explained to me why we are in this strange club.

[bazwillrun]

so we could buy and sell vegetables to each other....;-)

[Zeuhl]

/No one has ever explained to me why we are in this strange club. /

well it is a truism of human development that joining entities together produces a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts and provides increased security, economic power and influence in the wider world

[Old_Geezer]

But not at no cost. Sometimes one needs to find the right balance not consider a thing a good thing regardless and rush to embrace an extreme position.

[JackKnife]

Has any of that happenned here?

[vakayu]

As far as I can see the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages!

[Booldawg]

The EU is a bit like going into business with your financially irresponsible cousin; you have everything to lose, he has everything to gain.

[Zeuhl]

increased security: an unprecedented 70 years without war in europe

economic power and influence : the EU is the world's biggest economy at $17,512,109 dollars

(United States $16,768,050 China $9,469,124)

[JackKnife]

so why is it so painful?

[SirOracle]

Jack Knife Painful maybe but less painful than being outside of it.

[Zeuhl]

/so why is it so painful?/

what more painful than WW1/WW2?

more painful than losing an empire?

more painful than losing our motor industry?

more painful than seeing exports dry up?

pain is a perception one chooses to feel or not feel

[ChillDoubt]

So why can't we just leave and be like Norway?:

http://www.euronews.com/2013/03/29/norway-and-the-eu/

[Old_Geezer]

70 years without war in Europe. Like that has anything to do with us joining the EU. If one has sense and learns from the past 2 world wars one has incentive not to ruin economies again.

Economic power and influence. The EU may have some, but it seems we just do as we are told.

I find most of the justifications seem to be on shaky ground, and thus no justification for having to put up with it as Master.

[vulcan42]

The EU was formed in 1993, how was it responsible for the previous 48 years of peace?

[Zeuhl]

OG

/70 years without war in Europe. Like that has anything to do with us joining the EU./

It must be just a freak coincidence then, or perhaps you can point out a similar period of peace in europe EVER?

/If one has sense and learns from the past 2 world wars one has incentive not to ruin economies again./

If that were true OG perhaps you can explain why the ruined economies after WW1 didn't stop WW2? Or why the devastation of the Franco-Prussian war in 1870 didn't stop WW1? Or why etc etc etc

[Zeuhl]

/The EU was formed in 1993, how was it responsible for the previous 48 years of peace?/

That's rather naive vulcan

wiki /The EU traces its origins from the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Economic Community (EEC), formed by the Inner Six countries in 1951 and 1958, respectively. /

/The ECSC was first proposed by French foreign minister Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950 as a way to prevent further war between France and Germany. He declared his aim was to "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible" which was to be achieved by regional integration, of which the ECSC was the first step/

[JackKnife]

what more painful than WW1/WW2?
irrelevant, it may not have reached some but WW2 ended in 1945

more painful than losing an empire?
the "empire" was returned to the holders, most of them are grateful for the process, ever heard of the Comonwealth?

more painful than losing our motor industry?
that was killed by the unions like most of british industry.

more painful than seeing exports dry up?
they haven't we are a top exporter.

pain is a perception one chooses to feel or not fee.
no pain is what you feel when paying a billion a month to get kicked in the teeth continually.

the EU is a device to support inneficiency and socialism, the sooner we are out the better.

[vulcan42]

So the European coal and steel community kept the peace in Europe until the EU took over in 1993? yeah right.

[SirOracle]

There speaks a little englander.
Zeuhl is correct in stating that the EEC began in the 1950s which in my mind is near enough to 70 years.

[Zeuhl]

o dear Jack

/the "empire" was returned to the holders/

hastened by the world wars - repeats of which have not occurred since european union began

/ever heard of the Comonwealth(sic)?/

Yes. Not as economically valuable as the empire was, and the EU is now.

/our motor industry?
that was killed by the unions like most of british industry./

i think you'll find that above all their products were crap - unlike the foreign competition. Labour disputes merely exacerbated the failings of management.

Whatever the reason, we now produce more cars in the UK than ever before.

Thanks to our position in the EU. Or do you really think Honda, Ford and Nissan would be here anyway?


/we are a top exporter./ yes. see above.

/pain is what you feel when paying a billion a month to get kicked in the teeth continually./

if that is your perception then you are destined to fail.


the EU is a device to support inneficiency and socialism, the sooner we are out the better.