Should Diesel Fuelled Vehicles Be Banned?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2878488/Tiny-particles-diesel-engine-fumes-double-risk-autism-unborn-babies.html

We have read much about the effects of passive smoking, seen smoking banned in pubs and public places etc, now they are thinking of passing laws regarding to smoking in one's car if there are children present.

As a non smoker I am not saying that I disagree with these measures, but what I do disagree with is the hypocritical anti-smoking hysteria shown by some, when they think nothing of driving around in their diesel fuelled vehicles.

[Gromit]

It would be hard to ban them, particulary as Governments were actively encouraging them in favour of petrol engines not to long ago.

Bit they can hike the price of Deisel and discourage them in the future.

Don't think it is a good comparison though.

[youngmafbog]

Banned, no.

Phased out for private vehicles - yes.

[youngmafbog]

//Bit they can hike the price of Deisel and discourage them in the future. //

No they cant, if would be massively inflationary as all goods (incl food) would rise in price.

Until a viable alternative for HGV's is found diesel will always be around.

[RATTER15]

A diesel fuelled vehicle is certainly more of a necessity than puffing on cigarettes which is f no benefit to man nor beast! Silly comparison!!

[youngmafbog]

//A diesel fuelled vehicle is certainly more of a necessity //

No, the self righteous could buy a G-whiz (or at least a gasoline driven automobile)

[gness]

We are going to have to limit threads about diesel fuelled vehicles...... have you heard Sunny-Dave on the subject?.....

His blood pressure can't take many more, surely......☺

[Canary42]

What evidence do you have that anti-smoking hysterics drive around in diesel-powered vehicles. Or are you making up "the facts" as usual to suit your prejudices ?

And there are laws concerning vehicle emissions.

As Ratter said, a silly comparison.

[Baldric]

(Diesel) Drivers should be given £2,000 towards the cost of a new motor that meets environmental standards — and will not face fines in the future.

http://www.sunmotors.co.uk/news/pay-up-diesel-weasels/

[EDDIE51]

The problem is older badly maintained diesel engines, modern lean burn eco engines are as clean as any petrol engine and have particulate filters. They cause no pollution at all.

[dave50]

Prepare yourselves for hefty tax increases on diesel fuel and diesel cars.

[anotheoldgit]

RATTER15

/// A diesel fuelled vehicle is certainly more of a necessity than puffing on cigarettes which is f no benefit to man nor beast! Silly comparison!! ///

Not a silly comparison as you have impolitely put, both are a health hazard, but diesel fumes more so.

A diesel fuelled vehicle is not a necessity there are more safer fuels available.

[EDDIE51]

the new Euro6 regs will be the tightest ever for diesel
http://www.cumminseuro6.com/customise/upload/files/20_a.pdf
Engines to this standard are now being sold

[EDDIE51]

Euro6 has been compulsory since 1st January 2014 once the older diesels are off the road diesel pollution will have ceased to exist! We just need to speed up getting the older engines off the road.

[RATTER15]

AOG! //Not a silly comparison as you have impolitely put, both are a health hazard, but diesel fumes more so.//

Yes it is silly. there is absolutely no need for people to smoke cigarettes but there is a need for diesel fuel until a more economic and readily available alternative comes out.

[Gromit]

The Government could introduce a scrappage scheme and reward owners who trade in their older, dirtier deisels.

[jno]

they've already hiked the price of diesel, haven't they? I remember when it was lower than petrol.

[youngmafbog]

They could, but we are still funding 5 a day co-ordinators and a raft of other pointless civil servants(bought labour votes) thanks to New labour and spineless Cameron.

[Gromit]

// we are still funding 5 a day co-ordinators and a raft of other pointless civil servants //

It is as if the Coalition Government don't exist. Or haven't achieved anything.

[Old_Geezer]

What I think is ridiculous is the comparison between smoking, a social habit, and transport, a necessity. Ant yet this this attempt to equate the two comes up again and again and again.

Since the two are entirely different, hypocrisy doesn't come into it.

Also banning smoking (in some places only) at worst "wastes" a packet of fags or two. Ban diesel vehicles and the owner victims effectively have their transport stolen from them, and has to get rid of the vehicle 'to boot', which is an appalling thing to suggest.

And that is before we even start of discussion the pros of diesel anyway.

In the event someone could put forward an effective case for phasing diesel vehicles out, then that would be the correct course of action; not beat up members of the public with draconian edicts. Authorities need no encouragement to push the public that pay their salaries, around. They seem to think it their right & duty already; as they who pays the piper are told what tune they must call.

[ToraToraTora]

Just phase them out for private vehicles, 25 years ago diesel was for trucks and farm vehicles. just hike the price for private cars and it'll die naturally when the manufacturers stop building them. However this is not a comparable situation. It's patently obvious that passive smoking is no where near as dangerous as diesel partuculates but the whole smoking thing is about the unpleasantness for all but the smoker. I don't care if it's harmful, I care that it stinks and get's into my clothes and hair and is generally disgusting. I don't care that being in a room with a smoker is like smoking a zillionth of a cigarette, the fact is that I don't want to have to smell and inhale their filth. Smokers had it their own way for centuries and proved themselves to be selfish abusers of the rest of us, they forced society to put their house in order for them.