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I suspect I am going to invoke anger from some on here but I'll put the argument anyway.
Surely bringing more Muslims into the armed forces when we are at war with a faction of the religion is not a good idea. I am well aware that many Muslims do not agree with the fanatics (although many keep silent on it) but how can we tell them apart? OK, it's a religion so you can never be 100 % who is what but if someone is leaning that way why go out of your way to invite them in?
It's pretty much akin to enlisting Germans into our forces during WW2. Many Germans did not agree with Hitler but as you could not tell the safest option is to keep them at arms length.
I think it really does show our MP's and Forces seniors have not got to grips with this new challenge.
I suspect I am going to invoke anger from some on here but I'll put the argument anyway.
Surely bringing more Muslims into the armed forces when we are at war with a faction of the religion is not a good idea. I am well aware that many Muslims do not agree with the fanatics (although many keep silent on it) but how can we tell them apart? OK, it's a religion so you can never be 100 % who is what but if someone is leaning that way why go out of your way to invite them in?
It's pretty much akin to enlisting Germans into our forces during WW2. Many Germans did not agree with Hitler but as you could not tell the safest option is to keep them at arms length.
I think it really does show our MP's and Forces seniors have not got to grips with this new challenge.
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Special rations? Prayer mats out in the heat of a battle. Playing the race card when asked to do something unpleasant or disagreeable. Not worth the time,trouble and expense to train them. From what I see of Muslims ,on TV news, in times of grief, stress, turmoil etc they seem to be a little over emotional and excitable. Not good material for a disciplined army.
Thats OK danny. When you were serving in the army with Asians and Muslims alongside you were you fighting in a war against another Asian/Muslim country though? As said earlier you cannot discount the Valour of Asians and Muslims in past conflicts who have served with the British Armed Forces but this a religious Jihad where fanaticism overtakes patriotism I fear.
naomi24
There is absolutely no way of telling whether a Muslim person supports violent fundamentalism.
Same way that no woman can be sure that the bloke they are on a date with is a rapist.
Perhaps the answer is to treat Muslims as if they are not extremists, because the word 'extremist' actually defines an extremity, not the every day.
If we are saying that all Muslims should be treated with suspicion, then it follows that they should be banned from any profession where they could bring harm to 'the infidel'.
This would include all airline pilots, arm police units, cruise liner captains, teachers, all medical staff, all IT professionals...
...basically everything bar newspaper shop ownership.
There is absolutely no way of telling whether a Muslim person supports violent fundamentalism.
Same way that no woman can be sure that the bloke they are on a date with is a rapist.
Perhaps the answer is to treat Muslims as if they are not extremists, because the word 'extremist' actually defines an extremity, not the every day.
If we are saying that all Muslims should be treated with suspicion, then it follows that they should be banned from any profession where they could bring harm to 'the infidel'.
This would include all airline pilots, arm police units, cruise liner captains, teachers, all medical staff, all IT professionals...
...basically everything bar newspaper shop ownership.
SP, //This would include all airline pilots, arm police units, cruise liner captains, teachers, all medical staff, all IT professionals...//
Not that I’m suggesting it, but it’s a thought……
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Train them in combat and give them a gun and the benefit of the doubt? In the current climate, I don't think so.
Not that I’m suggesting it, but it’s a thought……
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Train them in combat and give them a gun and the benefit of the doubt? In the current climate, I don't think so.
sp
It is precisely because so called non radical Muslims are not making their voices heard in sufficient quantity to condemn atrocities carried out by other Muslims in the name of their religion that Muslims will be treated with suspicion. These "peaceful" Muslims are not declaring what side they are batting for so for self protection I will look upon them with suspicion.
It is precisely because so called non radical Muslims are not making their voices heard in sufficient quantity to condemn atrocities carried out by other Muslims in the name of their religion that Muslims will be treated with suspicion. These "peaceful" Muslims are not declaring what side they are batting for so for self protection I will look upon them with suspicion.
youngmafbog
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I would be so crass as to think you're stupid. You just have a different point of view.
retrocop - the way that I look at it, is that the Muslims I know simply do not have to denounce terrorism. My baseline is that people do not support murder. They don't have to state this, because that's the norm, rather than the exception.
Let's put it this way - if a Muslim bloke started working in you office, would you expect him to send out an email denouncing the recent Paris attacks? If he didn't, would you then suspect him of being a terrorist sympathiser?
Remember the riots of a couple of years ago after Mark Duggan was killed?
There were nightly reports of black teenagers looting in parts of London, but I did not see any reason for me to condemn them because I too am black.
Christians around the world did not need to decry 'Not in my name' when we all found out about Anders Breivik.
I don't remember anyone assuming that all Catholics were 'IRA by proxy' during the 60s/70s/80s.
and I think I know why...
A terrorist is a terrorist first and a religious observer second. Acts of terrorism are essentially politically based. They may be couched in the language of (in the case of Islamic fundamentalism) religion, but the impetus behind what we are seeing in the Middle East is political.
That's just my take on this.
I might be wrong.
I am conspicuously wrong about many, many things...
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I would be so crass as to think you're stupid. You just have a different point of view.
retrocop - the way that I look at it, is that the Muslims I know simply do not have to denounce terrorism. My baseline is that people do not support murder. They don't have to state this, because that's the norm, rather than the exception.
Let's put it this way - if a Muslim bloke started working in you office, would you expect him to send out an email denouncing the recent Paris attacks? If he didn't, would you then suspect him of being a terrorist sympathiser?
Remember the riots of a couple of years ago after Mark Duggan was killed?
There were nightly reports of black teenagers looting in parts of London, but I did not see any reason for me to condemn them because I too am black.
Christians around the world did not need to decry 'Not in my name' when we all found out about Anders Breivik.
I don't remember anyone assuming that all Catholics were 'IRA by proxy' during the 60s/70s/80s.
and I think I know why...
A terrorist is a terrorist first and a religious observer second. Acts of terrorism are essentially politically based. They may be couched in the language of (in the case of Islamic fundamentalism) religion, but the impetus behind what we are seeing in the Middle East is political.
That's just my take on this.
I might be wrong.
I am conspicuously wrong about many, many things...
It isn't as narrow as just recruiting Muslims, it is a wider field of under represented minorities as this article explains http://
Rather than looking at it as positive discrimination it is my understanding that the Army and the Armed Services in general are questioning why they are missing out on potential talent with their current recruitment strategy.
Rather than looking at it as positive discrimination it is my understanding that the Army and the Armed Services in general are questioning why they are missing out on potential talent with their current recruitment strategy.
I bet the few muslims who have joined the forces are not very popular amongst their own people, let us stop defending them, give them this country, and all be enslaved in islam. As you must gather I do not trust any of them, with the ideaology they slavishly lead their entire lives by, do not forget we are the infidels in our own country. Now thoroughly fed up, going to take a nap.
sp, I don’t know whether you simply fail to understand the mindset of Islam, or whether you are determined not to acknowledge it.
//A terrorist is a terrorist first and a religious observer second.//
Not in the case of Islamic terrorists. The IRA didn’t carry out its bombing campaigns in the name of Catholicism – its motives were political - but without exception each and every one of the atrocities perpetrated by Muslim terrorists is committed in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah. There is no comparison to be found between the two.
//the impetus behind what we are seeing in the Middle East is political.//
No, it isn’t. It is religious – and however far you want to go back into the troubles in that area of the world you will find religion at the heart of it.
I’ve said time and again that the mindset that is Islam can be compared to no other. Really, it can’t. I find this apparent inability, or unwillingness, of people in the west to even attempt to comprehend the all-embracing influence that Islam has upon the psyche of its adherents so utterly frustrating.
// I might be wrong.//
You are. The simple fact is, whatever your mates tell you, the Islamic faithful do not think like you. As 'they' say, "Allah knows best".
//A terrorist is a terrorist first and a religious observer second.//
Not in the case of Islamic terrorists. The IRA didn’t carry out its bombing campaigns in the name of Catholicism – its motives were political - but without exception each and every one of the atrocities perpetrated by Muslim terrorists is committed in the name of Islam and in the name of Allah. There is no comparison to be found between the two.
//the impetus behind what we are seeing in the Middle East is political.//
No, it isn’t. It is religious – and however far you want to go back into the troubles in that area of the world you will find religion at the heart of it.
I’ve said time and again that the mindset that is Islam can be compared to no other. Really, it can’t. I find this apparent inability, or unwillingness, of people in the west to even attempt to comprehend the all-embracing influence that Islam has upon the psyche of its adherents so utterly frustrating.
// I might be wrong.//
You are. The simple fact is, whatever your mates tell you, the Islamic faithful do not think like you. As 'they' say, "Allah knows best".
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