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Racist, Homophobic and now sexist. With all this baggage how does the "beautiful game" still have so many devotees?
Racist, Homophobic and now sexist. With all this baggage how does the "beautiful game" still have so many devotees?
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The game is dominated by men, and men of a certain mindset who do appear to believe that women don't really belong in the higher echelons of the game.
I can't make out what the abuse is of either the doctor or the official, but if it needs bleeping, it has to be pretty appalling.
The fact is that such behaviour is seen as acceptable by the majority of fans - if it wasn't, then action would have been taken.
Because such abuse is shrugged off as 'banter' means it continues, and women are made to feel as though, if they choose to enter a 'mens' domain of sport, this is something that goes with the territory.
How soon, or if ever, football, and the men who run it, will see this issue as important enough to deal with, is a worrying issue, but one thing is for sure -
if any of the commentators, fans, officials, board members, or casual observers, heard that abuse levelled at their wife / girlfriend ' daughter / sister / mother - they would not find it quite so 'banterish'.
I can't make out what the abuse is of either the doctor or the official, but if it needs bleeping, it has to be pretty appalling.
The fact is that such behaviour is seen as acceptable by the majority of fans - if it wasn't, then action would have been taken.
Because such abuse is shrugged off as 'banter' means it continues, and women are made to feel as though, if they choose to enter a 'mens' domain of sport, this is something that goes with the territory.
How soon, or if ever, football, and the men who run it, will see this issue as important enough to deal with, is a worrying issue, but one thing is for sure -
if any of the commentators, fans, officials, board members, or casual observers, heard that abuse levelled at their wife / girlfriend ' daughter / sister / mother - they would not find it quite so 'banterish'.
football has always commanded a tough audience. From Beckham wearing a dress to Rooney caught with an escort - all have had to face the wrath of a partisan crowd with a whole repertoire of chants designed to make the person on the receiving end feel very uncomfortable.
Harry Redknapps move from Pompey to Southampton ensued a few witty but offensive chants aimed at him.
They just need to suck it up.
Harry Redknapps move from Pompey to Southampton ensued a few witty but offensive chants aimed at him.
They just need to suck it up.
"I can't make out what the abuse is of either the doctor or the official, but if it needs bleeping, it has to be pretty appalling. " Andy on news24 they helpfully provided subtitles, the chants seemed primarily concerned with persuading the owner of mamalian feeding implements to be displayed "for the lads".
booldawg - //football has always commanded a tough audience. From Beckham wearing a dress to Rooney caught with an escort - all have had to face the wrath of a partisan crowd with a whole repertoire of chants designed to make the person on the receiving end feel very uncomfortable.
Harry Redknapps move from Pompey to Southampton ensued a few witty but offensive chants aimed at him.
They just need to suck it up. //
Your examples all concern individuals who have consciously behaved in a certain way, and suffered (or ignored) the approbation of fans for it.
That is not the same as a doctor or an official going about their professional activities and being abused purely and entirely on the basis of their gender.
The two don't compare - do they?
Harry Redknapps move from Pompey to Southampton ensued a few witty but offensive chants aimed at him.
They just need to suck it up. //
Your examples all concern individuals who have consciously behaved in a certain way, and suffered (or ignored) the approbation of fans for it.
That is not the same as a doctor or an official going about their professional activities and being abused purely and entirely on the basis of their gender.
The two don't compare - do they?
It makes me wonder when all the thuggish behaviour started. My Mum loved football and often accompanied my Dad to Sheffield Wednesday matches. Some of the men would get carried away and swear, then they'd spot my Mum and apologize for their language. Can you imagine that happening now?
My uncle played football in the 40's and 50's. There was none of this appalling name-calling then. They also didn't get paid the ridiculous amounts that these 'demi-gods' get paid now. My uncle played for the love of the game. He would be appalled if he saw how footballers behave these days.
My uncle played football in the 40's and 50's. There was none of this appalling name-calling then. They also didn't get paid the ridiculous amounts that these 'demi-gods' get paid now. My uncle played for the love of the game. He would be appalled if he saw how footballers behave these days.
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/// I can't make out what the abuse is of either the doctor or the official, but if it needs bleeping, it has to be pretty appalling. ///
They bleep out many things these days, some of which can be heard on a regular basis in any High Street, and until we know what was said I can't see how we can comment on it.
/// I can't make out what the abuse is of either the doctor or the official, but if it needs bleeping, it has to be pretty appalling. ///
They bleep out many things these days, some of which can be heard on a regular basis in any High Street, and until we know what was said I can't see how we can comment on it.
/// Sky Sports presenter Richard Keys resigned and pundit Andy Gray was sacked in 2011 for claiming assistant referee Sian Massey did not know the offside rule because she was a woman. ///
How many times has one not heard this, just the same regarding women parking their cars etc.
Men also come in for some other comical remarks from women, are we loosing our sense of humour?
How many times has one not heard this, just the same regarding women parking their cars etc.
Men also come in for some other comical remarks from women, are we loosing our sense of humour?
AOG // /// Sky Sports presenter Richard Keys resigned and pundit Andy Gray was sacked in 2011 for claiming assistant referee Sian Massey did not know the offside rule because she was a woman. ///
How many times has one not heard this, just the same regarding women parking their cars etc.
Men also come in for some other comical remarks from women, are we loosing our sense of humour?"
One man's humour is another woman's abuse.
It is virtually a default defence position for anyone who'se offensive remarks or behaviour cause upset to accuse the offended party of lacking a sense of humour.
But just because someone does not intend offence or upset does not mean it is not received in that way.
Surely mature behaviour and respect dictates being able to say that, although I did not intend to upset you, I see that I have, therefore I will desist from behaving in this way in the future.
Because stopping my behaviour doesn't hurt me, but continuing with it does hurt you, and that it wrong, so I am perfectly willing to stop causing you upset or offence, because I am a decent human being, and that is appropriate behaviour in a civilised society.
How many times has one not heard this, just the same regarding women parking their cars etc.
Men also come in for some other comical remarks from women, are we loosing our sense of humour?"
One man's humour is another woman's abuse.
It is virtually a default defence position for anyone who'se offensive remarks or behaviour cause upset to accuse the offended party of lacking a sense of humour.
But just because someone does not intend offence or upset does not mean it is not received in that way.
Surely mature behaviour and respect dictates being able to say that, although I did not intend to upset you, I see that I have, therefore I will desist from behaving in this way in the future.
Because stopping my behaviour doesn't hurt me, but continuing with it does hurt you, and that it wrong, so I am perfectly willing to stop causing you upset or offence, because I am a decent human being, and that is appropriate behaviour in a civilised society.
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