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Worse Net Migration Figures For A Decade
Have the Tories given up on this? The door is open wider than when Labour were power.
Ten years ago the economy was booming and there were plenty of vacancies. Now the economy is virtually stagnant. Can we afford our population to rise at this alarming amount?
Ten years ago the economy was booming and there were plenty of vacancies. Now the economy is virtually stagnant. Can we afford our population to rise at this alarming amount?
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Talking about sinking boats, we better not take any of those boat people in, or the usual suspects will be blaming the Tories for letting them in, not to mention letting in all those seeking medical treatment on our NHS.
Yes pull the drawbridge up and let down the portcullis, then perhaps the lefties will be happy and won't bother blaming the Tories for the high immigration figures again.
Yes pull the drawbridge up and let down the portcullis, then perhaps the lefties will be happy and won't bother blaming the Tories for the high immigration figures again.
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The reduction in Border Agency staff has little to do with these figures.
Of course the true number of migrants is almost certainly higher than the 641,000 quoted because of illegal immigration. But presumably the 641k are those here legally (or they would not have been counted) and so the BA must have allowed them in.
It goes without saying that there will be no stopping EU migration unless we leave the EU (whatever “renegotiation” Mr Cameron manages it has been made quite clear that freedom of movement is not up for discussion). However it is less than half the problem. It is one thing having to accept migrants because of our membership of the EU (bad as it is). But it is quite another to accept almost 300,000 whom we do not have to accept.
At the moment a ridiculous situation prevails. A person here legally (but not permitted to work) can be prosecuted if found working. The maximum sentence is six months custody. However, the same is not true of those who arrive illegally or over stay their visa. If they are discovered working no similar action can be taken against them. The PM’s announcement today aims to tackle that anomaly. But the real problem lies with the huge numbers of people being allowed to settle here, many of them with no intention of working.
Finally, once again I’ll mention the blatantly misleading nature of “net” migration figures. The net figure is 318,000. But behind this lies the fact that in addition to this increase another 323,000 have been “swapped”. There is little argument that most of those arriving are low skilled and low net worth who fill unskilled vacancies (those that work, that is). It is also quite obvious that those leaving are predominantly higher skilled and higher net worth. Are we really happy about that?
Of course the true number of migrants is almost certainly higher than the 641,000 quoted because of illegal immigration. But presumably the 641k are those here legally (or they would not have been counted) and so the BA must have allowed them in.
It goes without saying that there will be no stopping EU migration unless we leave the EU (whatever “renegotiation” Mr Cameron manages it has been made quite clear that freedom of movement is not up for discussion). However it is less than half the problem. It is one thing having to accept migrants because of our membership of the EU (bad as it is). But it is quite another to accept almost 300,000 whom we do not have to accept.
At the moment a ridiculous situation prevails. A person here legally (but not permitted to work) can be prosecuted if found working. The maximum sentence is six months custody. However, the same is not true of those who arrive illegally or over stay their visa. If they are discovered working no similar action can be taken against them. The PM’s announcement today aims to tackle that anomaly. But the real problem lies with the huge numbers of people being allowed to settle here, many of them with no intention of working.
Finally, once again I’ll mention the blatantly misleading nature of “net” migration figures. The net figure is 318,000. But behind this lies the fact that in addition to this increase another 323,000 have been “swapped”. There is little argument that most of those arriving are low skilled and low net worth who fill unskilled vacancies (those that work, that is). It is also quite obvious that those leaving are predominantly higher skilled and higher net worth. Are we really happy about that?
Ludwig,
You cannot work it it because you imagine things. I have not berated UKIP as a party for being racist. Individual UKIP members or supporters, possibly. I am not in favour of a total ban on immigration, but growing our pipulation by a million every 4 years is not sustainable.
I am for immigration if it is useful to the country. Anyone with a skill that British industry needs and finds difficulty recruiting locally should be welcomed with open arms. Also, if the economy expanding and there are plenty of new jobs being created, then the country needs additional workers, then we should get them even if that means importing foreign Labour.
But for the last 5 years, the economy has shrunk or stood still. New jobs are not being created (in any significant numbers), yet we are accepting more immigrants now than we were in the boom years.
People like NJ like to blame the EU, but that is a red herring. Most of the immigrants arriving are non EU. EU migrants are more likely to return home.
// Never expected to read something like this from Gromit, this is going haunt him for ages, but then it would if you had shot yourself in the foot. //
Lovely bit of metaphor mixing nonsense there, AOG.
You cannot work it it because you imagine things. I have not berated UKIP as a party for being racist. Individual UKIP members or supporters, possibly. I am not in favour of a total ban on immigration, but growing our pipulation by a million every 4 years is not sustainable.
I am for immigration if it is useful to the country. Anyone with a skill that British industry needs and finds difficulty recruiting locally should be welcomed with open arms. Also, if the economy expanding and there are plenty of new jobs being created, then the country needs additional workers, then we should get them even if that means importing foreign Labour.
But for the last 5 years, the economy has shrunk or stood still. New jobs are not being created (in any significant numbers), yet we are accepting more immigrants now than we were in the boom years.
People like NJ like to blame the EU, but that is a red herring. Most of the immigrants arriving are non EU. EU migrants are more likely to return home.
// Never expected to read something like this from Gromit, this is going haunt him for ages, but then it would if you had shot yourself in the foot. //
Lovely bit of metaphor mixing nonsense there, AOG.
Of course the level of immigration is the fault of the Tories.
By making the UK the only country with high employment and a flourishing economy, we are going to attract immigrants
An Australian points system is what we need, but we have a better model on our doorstep - the Isle of Man. Go there and you don't see any of the usual immigrants. They have a tough work permit system, and it is policed.
We were going to relocate there a few years ago. My wife has a profession which is critically in demand there, and I would have been given a work permit on the strength of that. My daughter would have had to reside for 5 years before getting a work permit, and she would have been at the back pf the queue behind every IOM national.
Of course, if you're very wealthy, doors open just as they do in UK!
By making the UK the only country with high employment and a flourishing economy, we are going to attract immigrants
An Australian points system is what we need, but we have a better model on our doorstep - the Isle of Man. Go there and you don't see any of the usual immigrants. They have a tough work permit system, and it is policed.
We were going to relocate there a few years ago. My wife has a profession which is critically in demand there, and I would have been given a work permit on the strength of that. My daughter would have had to reside for 5 years before getting a work permit, and she would have been at the back pf the queue behind every IOM national.
Of course, if you're very wealthy, doors open just as they do in UK!
I don't understand the thinking and the logic behind those who think that high levels of immigration is a good thing. I cant think of one benefit. Can one of you immigration fans on here please explain? After all, if unlimited immigration was such a good thing why do countries such as Australia and the USA have such tight controls?
Venator,
It is time to step out of the reality distorting election propagnda bubbule, it's over.
UK growth over the last 5 years has never got above 1% pa and is currently 0.3%. The number of people employed has risen slightly since 2010, but the Government have increased the population by over a million. So the percentage of the population unemployed has risen.
It is time to step out of the reality distorting election propagnda bubbule, it's over.
UK growth over the last 5 years has never got above 1% pa and is currently 0.3%. The number of people employed has risen slightly since 2010, but the Government have increased the population by over a million. So the percentage of the population unemployed has risen.
“People like NJ like to blame the EU, but that is a red herring.”
Please read my response properly, Gromit. I’ve repeated the salient part:
“However it [immigration from the EU] is less than half the problem. It is one thing having to accept migrants because of our membership of the EU (bad as it is). But it is quite another to accept almost 300,000 whom we do not have to accept.”
I’ve made it quite clear that migration from within the EU is less than half the problem (about 40%, I think the figures said) and I further accept that whilst we remain in the EU nothing can be done about it. My answer really focussed on the 60% of migrants we are not compelled to accept. Many of them have arrived not to work but to “accompany or join” somebody else, or for “other” or “not stated” reasons. (Quite why anybody should be allowed to settle here without giving a reason for their arrival is unclear).
It is not entirely the fault of the EU. It is the fault of successive governments for allowing millions of people to settle here when infrastructure and services in the areas where they choose to settle cannot cope.
Please read my response properly, Gromit. I’ve repeated the salient part:
“However it [immigration from the EU] is less than half the problem. It is one thing having to accept migrants because of our membership of the EU (bad as it is). But it is quite another to accept almost 300,000 whom we do not have to accept.”
I’ve made it quite clear that migration from within the EU is less than half the problem (about 40%, I think the figures said) and I further accept that whilst we remain in the EU nothing can be done about it. My answer really focussed on the 60% of migrants we are not compelled to accept. Many of them have arrived not to work but to “accompany or join” somebody else, or for “other” or “not stated” reasons. (Quite why anybody should be allowed to settle here without giving a reason for their arrival is unclear).
It is not entirely the fault of the EU. It is the fault of successive governments for allowing millions of people to settle here when infrastructure and services in the areas where they choose to settle cannot cope.
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