A Strange Door Policy In 21St Century Uk

[Snafu03]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/group-of-students-refused-entry-to-leicester-nightclub-because-they-are-black/ar-BBk7NmZ?ocid=SKY2DHP

Like something from 1950s USA. In todays inclusive society it was a very strange trick to pull - the bouncers must've know there would be repercussions as this type of behaviour is very newsworthy.

But nightclubs have had the power to refuse entry to groups of males with absolutely no comeback. Had this happen to me several times when out even in a small group of 4 or 5. Is this wildly different from the scenario in the link?

[Zacs-Master]

LOL ^^^^

[sp1814]

AOG

Thank you for your comments. I take them on board.

Do you think that door security staff can legitimately exclude people due to their race? Say, of they have had problems with black patron before?

If so, would it be equally okay for a doorman or pub to ban (say) soldiers, because they have had trouble from soldiers in the past?

If you would rather not say, I would completely understand.

No-one (including me) is free from the constraints of hypocrisy. Me, I'm left-leaning, but I vote Conservative.

You...well, you're not a racist, but...but...oh hell, I don't know how to finish that sentence off...

[mikey4444]

SP....I would give up if I were you...there are none so blind as those they refuse to see.

[sp1814]

mikey4444

Oh no...I really want to see AOG's response, because sometimes his 'explanations' are bloody brilliant.

I'm compiling them intItso a book.

Seriously.

It's a sequel to 'Alice In Wonderland'.

It's called, 'Alice Looks Over Her Should And Says 'Are You Having A Laugh Mate'"

I...am...going...to...be...rich.

Signing off for today...go to make mojitos and worry about whether to move the party indoors because of the ominous clouds over Islington.

[mikey4444]

SP....if I know Islington, they may be special Political clouds !

[Orderlimit]

Where is the transcript please?.

Mikey, perhaps you would be kind enough to spell it out to those of us that are not entirely convinced of what was said, I won't ask Sp as his post timed 19:17 Sat 23rd May 2015, suggest he is also confused.

Do we know whether any other black males were previously allowed acces prior to this incident?.

[Khandro]

//Do we know whether any other black males were previously allowed acces prior to this incident//
I asked this yesterday, no answer was forthcoming, but it would be a very strange joint if there wasn't.
Regarding the management's apology, I thing it was a sensible quick reaction to try to take the heat out of the situation, and I wouldn't think it could be interpreted as culpability.

[naomi24]

SP. no I haven't seen a transcript of the conversation, but from the babble ensuing in that video I doubt an accurate transcript could be constructed. In a city like Leicester where I believe indigenous whites are in the minority, I would be very surprised if these were the first black people to turn up at the door that night. This just doesn't make sense. I agree with Khandro.

[Orderlimit]

I think we all get it that racial discrimination is unlawful and in the available footage the conversation gets to stage where the complainants could reasonably believe entry is being refused because two of them are black or a racial quota has been met but the conversation does not flow good enough to accuse an individual of being a racist here without all the facts.

Is it really fair to say people are being blind to racism because they are questioning this incident. What if the doorman could prove he acted on the authority of another, say the club or could convince you that he did not intentionally discriminate, for whatever reason. Is it also unreasonable to wonder if the complainant may have led the conversation till a desired answer was reached.

And how does a person looking like the doorman have all the appearances of being racist.

[THECORBYLOON]

If it is the club's policy the doorman was enforcing, why did he agree to work to a policy he did not agree with and one he must have known to be unlawful?

[naomi24]

We don’t really know which policy he was enforcing. It could well have been one restricting the number of people allowed in at any one time, which I think is more likely the case.

[sp1814]

I agree naomi24.

Racism doesn't exist in this country.

Even if a couple of black men are told quite clearly that they are not being allowed into a club because they are black, we must not accept the evidence off the video they shot...we must spend time and effort looking for another explanation.

[naomi24]

sp, and what about their white friends? Why weren’t they admitted? The sketchy video is hardly conclusive. In a city where white indigenous people are in the minority I imagine that the club has rather a lot of black customers every night so it's very odd that a doorman at 2am on one particular night suddenly turns racist. But one cry of 'racist' and you’ll believe what you want to believe.

[Svejk]

sp1814 /// I agree naomi24.

Racism doesn't exist in this country. ///

You're wrong there, sp.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/579411/Bahar-Mustafa-police-investigate-Twitter-post

[THECORBYLOON]

If there were too many folk in the club, why did he not give that as a reason? Why did he not say if you want to wait untill four others leave, that's fine? Instead, he was asked a direct question and he gave a direct reply, it was because they were black.

[naomi24]

When questions were being fired at him the doorman said “I have no problems with you guys at all, but that is the rules of the club”. His co-worker said nothing so he doesn’t appear to have had a problem with what the doorman was saying. Now, the rules of the club clearly don’t say black people aren’t allowed in. Apart from the legal aspect, in a city such as Leicester the business would very soon go broke if it imposed such a rule. There has to be more to this than is being suggested.