A Price Worth Paying For The Right To Bear Arms?

[sandyRoe]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/white-man-hunted-after-black-church-shooting/ar-AAbKSzj

[mikey4444]

Divebuddy...are you seriously suggesting that the Americans don't have more gun deaths than we do ?

Britain...homicides per 100,000 people......0.04
USA......homicides per 100,000 people.......3.35

Britain....suicides per 100,000 people.........0.18
USA.......suicides per 100,000 people..........6.70.

Also, are you seriously suggesting that the ability to gain access to guns, legally or not, have no bearings on these figures !

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// And there we go....AOG shoehorns Islam into the debate. ///

Exactly what I was commenting on, an ABer, criticises Christianity and nothing is said, but as soon as Islam is mentioned in retaliation, one gets posts such as yours.

Case proven without a doubt.

[mikey4444]

YBM...doesn't wreck it all ! Read the link with the figures in !

I am not remotely interested in what happens in Switzerland. The debate on here is between Britain and America, and there no room for any doubt that the States have a much worse on gun-related deaths than we do.

[mikey4444]

AOG...this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, but you chose to bring the subject up and that is what Zacs and I are pointing out....you are quite right about the case being proven....its you that feel the need to bring up Muslims at every opportunity and you have proved it yet again today !

[Peter Pedant]

// Similar things happen in countries where they don't have it.//

yeah like the UK last week

( n everyone is meant to say - whaaa' or when was that ?
and I say it didnt happen....
because Schweik, similar things DON'T happen with the same frequency in other countries - but you really knew that didnt you ?

[-Talbot-]

YBM...doesn't wreck it all ! Read the link with the figures in !

I am not remotely interested in what happens in Switzerland. The debate on here is between Britain and America,


mikey, do you always decide what the debate is on?

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// So AOG, is it possible that the 'hate' was directed at black people? ///

Of course it is nobody is saying any different, but until we hear that that was the case, then has the Police Chief said it is a hate crime, which Baldric has been good enough along with the Oxford Concise Dictionary to supply the definition.

If you are still not satisfied, then may I suggest that you supply us all with your definition of a hate crime.

[Zacs-Master]

'Of course it is'

Thankyou.

[Svejk]

Well, we've just had similar incidents in France, Belgium and Holland, pp.
I'd say there are other factors at work in the US as well as the right to bear arms. It's a more divided society than ours( although some of you advocate following their welfare programmes) And the vast majority of murders will be committed with illegally held guns.

[youngmafbog]

Mickey, Switzerland has everything to do with it. You made the statement:
/Its abundantly clear America has a far worse record for gun deaths than Britain. We have mad people as well as America, but the difference is that its difficult to get access to a gun here, whatever you say, but in the States its extremely easy.//

"but the difference is its difficult to get access to a gun here"; so you are clearly saying the reason America has problems is that it is easy to get a gun. Well it's just as easy in Switzerland and they dont have the problem so clearly gun death and gun ownership are not directly related there are clearly other factors.

[-Talbot-]

Well, we've just had similar incidents in France, Belgium and Holland, pp


Better check on whether mikey is interested in France, Belgium and Holland, svejk.


mikey?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

Could it be that the USA has a larger immigration problem than we have?

There I have also managed to introduce 'Immigration' into the mix, oh you are a one AOG.

I have also been thinking of introducing Labour's disastrous defeat at the last election, but I didn't want to play all my cards just yet.

[-Talbot-]

lol

[stuey]

As an aside, I often wonder why people, in these type of threads, "accuse" the Americans of adhering to a 200 year old piece of paper...How old is the Magna Carta?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// AOG...this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, but you chose to bring the subject up and that is what Zacs and I are pointing out...///

When the Labour party are criticised don't you also retaliate by attacking the Tories?

That is the type of thing that I did in this case.

Religion wasn't mentioned by me until that ABer criticised Christianity.

So why should I be criticised for bringing into the debate an opposing religion?

But then perhaps if I had chosen to criticise say the Roman Catholic faith (yes I know they are attached to the Christian faith), nothing at all would have been said, in fact some would be lining up with their tales of Roman catholic priests etc, but mention Islam and you and you ilk crack off in your usual oh so predictable way.

[Peter Pedant]

// I have also been thinking of introducing Labour's disastrous defeat at the last election, but I didn't want to play all my cards just yet.//

if you vote tory you may die ! yeah fits in well with the tenor of this thread

[sandyRoe]

The killer has just received a gun as a birthday present, according to his uncle.
http://news.sky.com/story/1504129/suspect-identified-in-black-church-shooting

[bazwillrun]

"Could it be that the USA has a larger immigration problem than we have? "

LOl..now that I find hard to believe AOG...ours is about as bad as it gets on any level !

[sandyRoe]

No, it's not. Nearly one third of the people in Lebanon are refugees. We'd have a long way to go to match that.