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TONY PARSON writes in THE SUN newspaper: WHEN I see an ice cream van run by a woman in a full-veil, full-body burka, I no longer recognise the country I grew up in. Can this really be England in the 21st century? It looks like a scene from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. It looks like the Dark Ages in some fundamentalist state in the Middle East. But this is Dewsbury, Yorkshire, in the summer of 2015. In the bright summer sunshine, a little boy approaches one of the most evocative symbols of the season. The name on the side of the van, Rossi’s ice cream, will ring a ding-dong bell in a million hearts who remember the name from their childhood. But I can’t look upon this image with anything but despair. This is where it leads to — our mindless, unthinking tolerance for any and every culture that chose to migrate here. This is where it leads to — our very British reluctance to appear racist, or judgmental or xenophobic. Ghettos have been built on British tolerance. There are ghettos in Yorkshire, Birmingham and leafy High Wycombe. There are ghettos in East London where nobody thinks it remarkable that the wife of the President of the United States can tour a school where almost every girl is wearing the hijab headdress. Everyone dressing the same is NOT diversity. It’s a ghetto. That is the country we have created. We have invited millions in, given them British passports, lavished them with British benefits, made them recipients of British freedoms that our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for. And too often we are rewarded for our kindness with hatred. It is no coincidence that the ice cream lady in a burka was flogging her creamy wares in one of the hotbeds of Islamic madness. It is almost exactly ten years since 7/7 and the mass slaughter on London transport by four suicide bombers. That atrocity was planned from the Dewsbury home of ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan. And Dewsbury was also the home of wicked Talha Asmal, Britain’s youngest suicide bomber, who ran off to join Islamic State and detonated a car full of explosives. “A sweet-natured, friendly kid,” says the former Labour MP Shahid Malik — a spectacularly insensitive thing to say about someone who has just committed a terrorist act of mass murder. But that is how isolated sections of the Muslim community have become. That is how deluded, self-pitying and plain wrong they consistently get it. At 17, Talha Asmal was old enough to know EXACTLY what he was getting into with the bearded butchers of Islamic State. What the hell is wrong with Dewsbury, a town of 60,000 souls that has inflicted such a mountain of misery on this country and the world? And what is wrong with US that we have allowed these wretched, hateful ghettos to thrive in our own country?
We should not be surprised that three Muslim women in what are described as “very unhappy arranged marriages” choose to take their nine innocent children to live under the fanatical rule of Islamic State.Because we have not insisted on integration from the people who have come here. We have not asked for loyalty. We have not even asked for a little bit of bloody gratitude. Now we reap the whirlwind of all our kind-hearted British tolerance. Now we see we have given entire English towns and city neighbourhoods away to people who have not the slightest inclination to integrate with the rest of us. In one area of Dewsbury, 97 per cent of the population is Muslim. Ninety seven per cent! Does that statistic astound you? It astounds me. David Cameron says that UK Muslims need to do more in the fight on terror. No, Prime Minister, UK Muslims who are totally separated from the rest of British life need to decide if they really want to be a part of this country. Or not. Britain is a wonderful nation. We are ALL lucky to be living here. But ghettos are an affront to everything the British love and they have absolutely no place in British life....
We should not be surprised that three Muslim women in what are described as “very unhappy arranged marriages” choose to take their nine innocent children to live under the fanatical rule of Islamic State.Because we have not insisted on integration from the people who have come here. We have not asked for loyalty. We have not even asked for a little bit of bloody gratitude. Now we reap the whirlwind of all our kind-hearted British tolerance. Now we see we have given entire English towns and city neighbourhoods away to people who have not the slightest inclination to integrate with the rest of us. In one area of Dewsbury, 97 per cent of the population is Muslim. Ninety seven per cent! Does that statistic astound you? It astounds me. David Cameron says that UK Muslims need to do more in the fight on terror. No, Prime Minister, UK Muslims who are totally separated from the rest of British life need to decide if they really want to be a part of this country. Or not. Britain is a wonderful nation. We are ALL lucky to be living here. But ghettos are an affront to everything the British love and they have absolutely no place in British life....
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Mikey, I think they are quoting the full Tony Parson's article.
I have to say I agree with most of it, our country has been RUINED by rampant immigration over the last couple of decades.
I watch the news night after night and see stories like:
* People from the UK going to fight in Syria or wherever
* Seeing more and more people arrested in the UK for terrorist offences
* Seeing stories of gangs of Asian men in towns all over the UK using drink and drugs on young girls so they can rape them.
* Seeing stories about genital mutilation and "honour killings".
I even go up my local high street (a town on the very edge of Birmingham but outside it) and see more and more Asians in their flowing robes, many with their faces covered.
I do begin to wonder if I am walking down a street in India and Pakistan.
We will ALL look back in years to come and realise what a HUGE mistake we made with such mass immigration (many of us having known this for years and have been shouting about it on this web site and others).
It is such a shame, this was once a great country to live in, now it is being dragged down to third world levels.
I have to say I agree with most of it, our country has been RUINED by rampant immigration over the last couple of decades.
I watch the news night after night and see stories like:
* People from the UK going to fight in Syria or wherever
* Seeing more and more people arrested in the UK for terrorist offences
* Seeing stories of gangs of Asian men in towns all over the UK using drink and drugs on young girls so they can rape them.
* Seeing stories about genital mutilation and "honour killings".
I even go up my local high street (a town on the very edge of Birmingham but outside it) and see more and more Asians in their flowing robes, many with their faces covered.
I do begin to wonder if I am walking down a street in India and Pakistan.
We will ALL look back in years to come and realise what a HUGE mistake we made with such mass immigration (many of us having known this for years and have been shouting about it on this web site and others).
It is such a shame, this was once a great country to live in, now it is being dragged down to third world levels.
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I have noticed there are more british born muslim men around who are wearing the traditional white garb. There seems to be a trend with the younger males to become more devout. It`s almost like it is fashionable. I have met some at work who have given up drinking, grown the facial hair and generally become more into their religion. It seems that the more muslims are told they must integrate etc, it is having the opposite effect.
it looks as if the government - and the security services - are complicit in the radicalisation of the dewsbury family now in syria.....
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""many are white ghettos" Where is that then - Lagos? I can`t think of any white ghettos in Africa or the Indian subcontinent."
Who's talking about Lagos? I was thinking of Europe
It's easy to satirise this load of bilge, but really, statements such as: "Everyone dressing the same is NOT diversity. It’s a ghetto." are such shallow tosh.
" What the hell is wrong with Dewsbury, a town of 60,000 souls that has inflicted such a mountain of misery on this country and the world?
...In one area of Dewsbury, 97 per cent of the population is Muslim. Ninety seven per cent! Does that statistic astound you? It astounds me."
Really Tony? I bet there are parts of Dewsbury that have shock horror 100% Muslims, Think of that, eh? Just depends where you draw your line.
It's nice to know that he reads the Daily Mail, looks at the pretty pictures etc, and the news headlines like the rest of us, but this is just the journalist equivalent of Answerbank ranting :-)
Who's talking about Lagos? I was thinking of Europe
It's easy to satirise this load of bilge, but really, statements such as: "Everyone dressing the same is NOT diversity. It’s a ghetto." are such shallow tosh.
" What the hell is wrong with Dewsbury, a town of 60,000 souls that has inflicted such a mountain of misery on this country and the world?
...In one area of Dewsbury, 97 per cent of the population is Muslim. Ninety seven per cent! Does that statistic astound you? It astounds me."
Really Tony? I bet there are parts of Dewsbury that have shock horror 100% Muslims, Think of that, eh? Just depends where you draw your line.
It's nice to know that he reads the Daily Mail, looks at the pretty pictures etc, and the news headlines like the rest of us, but this is just the journalist equivalent of Answerbank ranting :-)
Yeah, it's a bad use of stats that -- no context. Is that a large area? A small one? A mosque on a Friday afternoon, perhaps?
The situation at the moment is obviously far from perfect but I can't help but feel that Tony Parson's idea of integration is something akin to "abandoning utterly everything about your own culture and embracing completely that of the land you are now in" -- what you might call the "Apu solution" (from a Simpsons episode called "Much Apu about nothing" if anyone cares) -- when, really, integration is about finding a balance between your own culture and that of the land you are living in. In which case I'm sort of struggling to see why a Muslim woman driving an ice cream van is an image of horror. What better demonstration of integration is there? Being true to her own roots, while enjoying a bit of typically Western culture.
Obviously the idea that the country has changed unrecognisably since even the early 1990s is true. On short timescales that can be unpleasant because it takes a while for people to adjust to the changes. In the long term, though, change -- even this change -- is healthy for a country.
The situation at the moment is obviously far from perfect but I can't help but feel that Tony Parson's idea of integration is something akin to "abandoning utterly everything about your own culture and embracing completely that of the land you are now in" -- what you might call the "Apu solution" (from a Simpsons episode called "Much Apu about nothing" if anyone cares) -- when, really, integration is about finding a balance between your own culture and that of the land you are living in. In which case I'm sort of struggling to see why a Muslim woman driving an ice cream van is an image of horror. What better demonstration of integration is there? Being true to her own roots, while enjoying a bit of typically Western culture.
Obviously the idea that the country has changed unrecognisably since even the early 1990s is true. On short timescales that can be unpleasant because it takes a while for people to adjust to the changes. In the long term, though, change -- even this change -- is healthy for a country.
