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Racist Chelsea Fans Get 5 Year Ban

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Gromit | 11:37 Wed 22nd Jul 2015 | News
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Chelsea fans who pushed black man off Paris Metro Tain given 5 year bans from all football grounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11755287/Chelsea-fan-who-pushed-black-man-off-Paris-metro-given-five-year-banning-order.html

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If they treat football like a religion, why did they bring it into such disrepute? These men are racist and should have been fined heavily. This "punishment " actually saves them money.
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Booldawg

The Metropolitan Police applied for the banning orders. Met Police were in Paris, and witnessed several incidents which they used as evidence to support a ban. The hearing was at Waltham Forest magistrates court in front of a district judge .
Vulcan - //If they treat football like a religion, why did they bring it into such disrepute?//

The important part of that sentence is 'like'.

They do not treat it as though it is a religion - they simply adopt the fanaticism that accompanies some supporters' mind set - along with a side order of tribalism, yobbery, predjudice, unpleasantness, and overall waste of oxygen!
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vulcan42

This was not a criminal court merely an application for a banning order.

I assume because the offence did not occur on British soil, then it is not under the UK police's jurisdiction, so no criminal charges can be brought.
Thanks for the explanation Gromit. It wasn't clear from the posted article!
Gromit

/// I assume because the offence did not occur on British soil, then it is not under the UK police's jurisdiction, so no criminal charges can be brought. ///

So what are you actually saying, if it had been on British 'soil' then criminal charges would have been taken?

Nice to see that the French don't take such matters so seriously.
AOG - //Nice to see that the French don't take such matters so seriously. //

I rather think that the assault and racial abuse of an innocent commuter by a bunch of foreign football fascists is something the French should take seriously.
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AOG

Our wonderful Football representatives in France. Utter disgrace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENSMuigRHUU
"There should be a custodial sentence here."

hahaha...no, please stop its hurting to laugh so much...
In a similar manner to the way Restraining Orders can be imposed without a criminal conviction, so can Football Banning Orders:


Football Spectators Act 1989 (FSA), section14B:

An application for a banning order may be made by the chief officer of police for the area in which the person resides or appears to reside if it appears that the condition in (2) is met.

The condition is that the respondent has at any time caused or contributed to any violence or disorder in the UK or elsewhere.

Application is by complaint to a magistrates' court.

If it is proved on the application that the condition in subsection (2) is met, and the court is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to believe that making a banning order would help to prevent violence or disorder at or in connection with any regulated football matches, the court must make a banning order in respect of the respondent.
vulcan42
If they treat football like a religion, why did they bring it into such disrepute?



mmmm.... let me think....have any religous peeps have ever brought their religion into disrepute is it?
andy-hughes
they simply adopt the fanaticism that accompanies some supporters' mind set - along with a side order of tribalism, yobbery, predjudice, unpleasantness, and overall waste of oxygen!

yeah...just like religion!
Gosh a former policeman and human rights activist (is that ironic?) and a former finance worker - it's just like Green Street.
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Prudie,

Yes, an interesting demographic.

// Barklie said that, in accordance with his public order training, he put his hand up to protect himself. The Chelsea fan said: “I did push him, I put my hand out to stop him getting into this space.” //
So now any football fan who commits a minor crime will be banned from football grounds?

Did the incident happen inside or around the Paris St Germain ground? No, they abused him on the Paris metro so surely they should be banned from travelling on it?
The legislation is quite clear, joeluke:

"The condition is that the respondent has at any time caused or contributed to any violence or disorder in the UK or elsewhere. "

The disorder does not have to have taken place in a football ground. But since this provision is under the "Football Spectators Act" it has too have taken place in connection with a football match. If a banning order were imposed for disorder that was not connected with football it was almost certainly be successfully appealed.

The aim is to prevent disorder associated with football matches.
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oldbobasusual

I'm gonna have to read your post as being tongue-in-cheek.

I literally have to. There seems to be no other option.
So a music fan on their way to a concert who did this would be banned from music concerts for a period?
Joe...are you trying to excuse what they did?

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