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Should Ukip Get More Seats In The House Of Lords
More than they've been accorded by Cameron...which is zero?
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I think in this instance, UKIP are right to feel they've been shut out. Whilst I'm not in favour of PR, it seems churlish to give them exactly no seats in the Lords, when they got 4 million votes in the General Election.
What do you think?
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I think in this instance, UKIP are right to feel they've been shut out. Whilst I'm not in favour of PR, it seems churlish to give them exactly no seats in the Lords, when they got 4 million votes in the General Election.
What do you think?
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youngmafbog
Errr...I think your first sentence got mangled on the way to the Internet.
I don't think the argument about the number of seats in Parliament is a solid one. Those seats are governed by 'who came first' in whatever constituency UKIP stood in.
However, the make-up of the Lords is governed by the dissolution honours and is at the discretion of the PM (based no doubt on who has donated what to party coffers and so on).
I can't see that the number of MPs should necessarily correlate to the number of Lords for each party.
Errr...I think your first sentence got mangled on the way to the Internet.
I don't think the argument about the number of seats in Parliament is a solid one. Those seats are governed by 'who came first' in whatever constituency UKIP stood in.
However, the make-up of the Lords is governed by the dissolution honours and is at the discretion of the PM (based no doubt on who has donated what to party coffers and so on).
I can't see that the number of MPs should necessarily correlate to the number of Lords for each party.
Seriously, it's a difficult one, isn't it? Cameron is happily 'swamping' the H.o.Lds. with tory peers at the mo. His party did not get a majority of votes cast. He's a tricky customer I.M.O. and I don't see why UIKIP should not be represented, given the number of votes cast for them. One with you in this instance sp1814!
Call me out of touch but I've always viewed the HoL as a part and parcel of the Honours System in this country. You get made into a peer after years and years of dutiful service to the public in the capacity of an MP. Johnny-come-latelys do not get instant peerages.
I would have liked to say that UKIP have "only one MP and only one policy", just for the symmetry of it but have to admit that they now have a slew of policies.
Sending their one MP to the Lords might come across as shoveling him out of the way, where he can only gripe about bills on the conveyor belt and not launch a bill of his own. Is it early day motions where MPs can win a lottery to present one of their own?
Anyway, all moot. There are 800 (?) of them already, snoring away and burning a hole in our collective pockets (£400/hr???). Scrap the whole setup and bring in an elected chamber; 400 members, tops.
I would like them to all be business leaders but they don't really retire and probably couldn't stand the drop in income. Judges and lawyers will be needed to keep the legal knowledge base strong but I doubt they'd accept the pay cut either.
What to do, eh?
I would have liked to say that UKIP have "only one MP and only one policy", just for the symmetry of it but have to admit that they now have a slew of policies.
Sending their one MP to the Lords might come across as shoveling him out of the way, where he can only gripe about bills on the conveyor belt and not launch a bill of his own. Is it early day motions where MPs can win a lottery to present one of their own?
Anyway, all moot. There are 800 (?) of them already, snoring away and burning a hole in our collective pockets (£400/hr???). Scrap the whole setup and bring in an elected chamber; 400 members, tops.
I would like them to all be business leaders but they don't really retire and probably couldn't stand the drop in income. Judges and lawyers will be needed to keep the legal knowledge base strong but I doubt they'd accept the pay cut either.
What to do, eh?
// You get made into a peer after years and years of dutiful service to the public in the capacity of an MP. //
trooping in and out of the division lobbies
as directed by the whips such as Andrew Mitchell
I feel sorry for the sheep like MPs who do this and then DON'T get to the Lords such as Sir Jamz Spicer lately MP for west dorset
I wrote to a medical Lord ( Walton of Darshant) and told him what a crap job he was doing specifically helpin to legislate medical regulation that he had actually opposed as head of the GMC
and he wrote back that that was the job of the medical Lords - to assist the govt in power to legislate
I read the letter with my mouth open
trooping in and out of the division lobbies
as directed by the whips such as Andrew Mitchell
I feel sorry for the sheep like MPs who do this and then DON'T get to the Lords such as Sir Jamz Spicer lately MP for west dorset
I wrote to a medical Lord ( Walton of Darshant) and told him what a crap job he was doing specifically helpin to legislate medical regulation that he had actually opposed as head of the GMC
and he wrote back that that was the job of the medical Lords - to assist the govt in power to legislate
I read the letter with my mouth open
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