Should Police Officers Apologise...

[agchristie]

For stop and searches that reveal nothing on the person?

Would officers carry out searches that are 'unwarranted' or 'unreasonable'? Is this proposal casting doubt on officer's integrity?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-officers-could-have-to-give-facetoface-apologies-for-unwarranted-stop-and-searches-10459653.html

[woofgang]

no response to my post at 14.45 retrocop?

[redvanman]

Police officers are in a no win situation with all the scum thy deal with including solicitors and judges and the no comment answer all the crooks give now

[woofgang]

so all police officers are whiter than white, redvanman?

[New Judge]

The problem here is that police chiefs want to "gold plate" what probably happens in 99% of cases anyway. Now they are advocating a "face-to-face apology from the officer in question and discuss the impact it had on them,..."

This, of course, will be accompanied by the introduction of a new form upon which all this claptrap will be recorded, a new department to audit the content of those forms, targets for numbers of apologies issued, plus, of course, compo for those whose apology and discussion weres deemed deficient.

Far from being a "police state" the UK is turning its police forces (sorry, "services") into a department of form filling social workers.

[agchristie]

@ woofgang

Regarding your comment 'not so much of the we' do I take it you are not so much in favour of wanting as many officers out on the streets as possible to keep us safe?

[woofgang]

I am not in favour of bad manners or arrogant behaviour in any circumstances agchristie.

[agchristie]

Neither am I woofgang but you have not answered my question.

[mikey4444]

When the same person is being constantly "Stopped and Searched" and there nothing found, I think that person should at least have an explanation.

But routine apologies ?...no, I don't think so.

[woofgang]

agchristie, you question is a logical fallacy (loaded question)

[retrocop]

woofgang
//no response to my post at 14.45 retrocop?//

I am sorry.I wasn't aware that I was expected to comment on an individual circumstance that was not related to "stop and search"??
I have been engaged on other tasks this p.m. and as I was not personally involved in your particular gripe I can only say I have no comment to make. I am sure your relatives made the appropriate complaints and I have nothing to apologise for.

[woofgang]

I wan't looking for an apology and my example was a response you this remark of yours
woofgang
//As for "casting doubt on an officer's integrity", there are arrogant anuses and bad apples in every job. Why should the police be any different?//
your reply
"Quite right police officers deal with them regularly during the course of their daily duties."

[agchristie]

@ woofgang

Why is it a loaded question? I was merely asking whether you would like to see as many officers on our streets to protect us? Yes or No?

[Answerprancer]

They shouldn't do it in the first place IMO unless they have good reason to, this country still operates on a basis of "innocent until proven guilty" afaik.

[agchristie]

@ Answerprancer

What I have not established is when would an officer conduct an unwarranted or unreasonable stop and search?

[New Judge]

“They shouldn't do it in the first place IMO unless they have good reason to, this country still operates on a basis of "innocent until proven guilty" afaik.”

But they do have good reason, AP. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it, AP.

As an aside, "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal convention, not a fact. If it was adhered to as a fact the police would not be able to make any enquiries (since everybody is innocent before those enquiries are made and you are suggesting that enquiries of “innocent” people - such as in the manner being discussed here - are not permissible).

[Peter Pedant]

The old stop and search under the Metro Police Act was without reason wasnt it ?

I was stopped and searched twice - the info I gave was not recorded and i dont recall being thanked and yes I didnt like it as it was without reason or cause

[agchristie]

From the link:

Fifty eight per cent of 19 to 24-year-olds who had been stopped and searched were unhappy with the way they were treated.

Doesn't tell us much does it, how many of these youngsters were stopped with justification?

[Davemano]

Unwarranted and unreasonable stops and searches are IN THE MIND of the person being searched, and in my brief posting earlier I did say that it was up to the 'doubter' to prove any unjustified action, and even though the search does not reveal anything this does not make it unwarranted or unreasonable.

[redvanman]

You stupid boy watch some of the cop shows on tely and you will see the scum thy have to deal with. Also I would like to see body cameras worn to save all the form filling in