Muslim Can't Be President Apparently

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34308716

Carson is a highly educated man. It wasn't so long ago that people were saying that about black people, and as a black person, he should really know better than to try to replace one form of prejudice with another.

[vetuste_ennemi]

And, Andy, you really should think about statements like this before you publish them: "To penalise people because of the cultural stances of their government is completely unreasonable.".
You do see that this is nonsense, don't you?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Hoisted by their own petard, it would seem....again. Last time it was the Magic Underpants...this time its insulting minorities. ///

/// With Trump's 'BUFFOON' impersonation growing larger every day, will the Republicans never learn ? ///

Perhaps you should take into consideration your frequent insults towards any other party or persons who do not toe the left's line, or is it only insults towards minorities, that you care about?

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - //And, Andy, you really should think about statements like this before you publish them: "To penalise people because of the cultural stances of their government is completely unreasonable.".
You do see that this is nonsense, don't you?//

Obviously, silly me, what was I thinking of!

If that is the response you are looking for, sadly you will be disappointed.

I don't see that 'this is nonsense' at all, otherwise I would not have wasted my valuable time posting it.

Perhaps you would like to expand on why you think it is 'nonsense'?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Governments do not create cultures.

[vetuste_ennemi]

If your time is valuable why do use so much of it on this site?

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - //If your time is valuable why do use so much of it on this site? //

Because most of the time, I find it a worthwhile use of my time.

Now - can you address my question about my post being 'nonsense' please?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Governments do not create cultures.
Governments do not create cultures.
Governments do not create cultures.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - Thank you for responding - I see that you did respond earlier, but because you don't use the 'cut/paste' method to indicate which post you are responding to, I was unaware that you were answering mine.

All you have done is make a statement, which does not rebut my observation in the slightest - if you are going to be rude about my view, at least have the courtesy to offer a proper explanation for your opinion of it.

Thank you.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'm being curt, Andy, which, I admit, is rather rude of me. But it does become tiresome to see otherwise intelligent people so besotted with fashionable opinion that they cannot see what is staring them in the face. And I'm afraid on this occasion is the best I can do by way of apology.

Hatred of gays, hatred of Jews, the view that any woman in a short skirt is a *** - these are cultural attitudes quite prevalent in many parts of the world. This culture has not been formed because of a "stance" some government has taken; it is to a large extent the product of a primitive religion. And for that reason this moral coarseness is not geographically confined. It travels. It puts down new roots. It is not transmuted into gold by free social housing in Rotherham and a British passport.

That is why you and, perhaps more especially, SP should be as worried by it as I am.

[naomi24]

There appears to exist a fairly widespread, but erroneous, impression that the more negative aspects of alien cultures are instantly abandoned at the doors of the west.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - //I'm being curt, Andy, which, I admit, is rather rude of me. But it does become tiresome to see otherwise intelligent people so besotted with fashionable opinion that they cannot see what is staring them in the face. And I'm afraid on this occasion is the best I can do by way of apology.//

Well, thank you for the apology - appreciated.

I assure you I am not 'besotted' with any opinion - fashionable or otherwise!


// Hatred of gays, hatred of Jews, the view that any woman in a short skirt is a *** - these are cultural attitudes quite prevalent in many parts of the world. This culture has not been formed because of a "stance" some government has taken; it is to a large extent the product of a primitive religion.//

That is true - but all those negative attitudes apply to a vast swathe of the southern United States - no-one seems at all bothered about their Neanderthal attitudes poisoning the western world as we know it.

And for that reason this moral coarseness is not geographically confined. It travels. It puts down new roots. It is not transmuted into gold by free social housing in Rotherham and a British passport.//

Indeed it doesn't.

But I for one, and I am a minority voice on here, but not alone, do not believe that incoming Musilms automatically want to change British society to reflect their customs and faith.

And more to the point - and this is the essential difference between my view and a lot of others on here - I do not believe that the British people are ready to lie down and 'allow' Islam to roll on top of them, as though they have no say in what goes on. Incoming Muslims remain a small minority of the population as a whole, which is busy ensuring that the UK remains as 'British' as it has ever been - which means accepting incomers, but never ever letting them take over in any shape or form.

//That is why you and, perhaps more especially, SP should be as worried by it as I am.//

And that is why I - and I cannot speak for SP - am not worried about it.

I lived through the '70's and '80's when the Russians were going to bomb us all to kingdom come - it never happened, but not for want of scaremongering my the media of the day.

I prefer to ignore the hysterics of columnists who make a living out of frightening people, and trust to the inherent goodness of people - and I have no reason to really believe that that goodness is seriously being undermined by anyone.

[vulcan42]

andy, I also lived during those times and also the preceding decade when I was serving in the RAF. The difference being is because in those times we, and others, had and were prepared to use a deterrent. This time there is no deterrent, on the contrary, they are being asked to invade.

[vetuste_ennemi]

"But I for one, and I am a minority voice on here, but not alone, do not believe that incoming Muslims automatically want to change British society to reflect their customs and faith.".

Faced with the same facts you and I draw opposite conclusions, Andy. I have already enumerated in a post addressed to you a number of cases where the small and insignificant Muslim minority has already succeeded in forcing concessions to its customs and faith. I'll add a new one: the exemption from rules of hygiene granted to Muslim doctors and nurses.

I'm surprised that you think the threat of nuclear war was an illusion created by the media. I remember the Cuban missile. What do you think about the mad mullahs getting the bomb?

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think I omitted a "crisis" in my last post. How untypical.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - //I'm surprised that you think the threat of nuclear war was an illusion created by the media. //

I don't think it was an illusion created by the media.

That could be a very good reason why I did not say that.

What I said was that the media were scaremongering throughout, which is not the same as saying there was no threat - just that it was exaggerated in order to frighten the population.

//What do you think about the mad mullahs getting the bomb?//

I used to worry more when Dubya had access to missile codes!!

[Peter Pedant]

// I'll add a new one: the exemption from rules of hygiene granted to Muslim doctors and nurses. //

oo-er missed that
do you have a reference ?

the only ones I can think of is
RCs and abortion - statutory exemption on doing or assisting
and sikh headdresses and crash helmets

[Peter Pedant]

and the final sentence is:

A Department of Health spokesman said: "The guidance is intended to provide direction to services in how they can balance infection control measures with cultural beliefs without compromising patient safety."

sorry I was taking you seriously for a moment ....