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Mmr Jab...worrying News
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The entirely discredited scare story of a decade ago still seems to have an influence. According to the link, in some areas, vaccination has fallen to less than 80%.
Why are people not taking the advice of health visitors and their GPs ? Its a no brainer to me !
The entirely discredited scare story of a decade ago still seems to have an influence. According to the link, in some areas, vaccination has fallen to less than 80%.
Why are people not taking the advice of health visitors and their GPs ? Its a no brainer to me !
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The problem with that, mushroom, is that MMR is at the very least not the only cause of autism. So not taking the jab not only leaves the child in question still at risk of developing autism anyway, but also at risk of still catching those diseases that, if not always fatal, are certainly very dangerous. It's just a bad risk assessment to refuse the MMR jab on those...
13:28 Wed 23rd Sep 2015
sqad it was all an awful mess
Wakefprd is now an ex-doctor having been struck off
He may or may not have had insight into what he was saying was flawed at the time the Lancet published
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Walker-Smith admitted 'gift authorship' when he knew he should not
The drive to be controversial and be on tee-vee is too much for some
Wakefprd is now an ex-doctor having been struck off
He may or may not have had insight into what he was saying was flawed at the time the Lancet published
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Walker-Smith admitted 'gift authorship' when he knew he should not
The drive to be controversial and be on tee-vee is too much for some
Peter, you misunderstood my remark.
I meant a survey of the reasons for non take up.
What percentage of the lack of take up is - fear/apathy/poor education/it will never happen to my child etc etc.
I was a young Mum at the time of the Whooping Cough scare and it affected me greatly, the lack of feedback from the professionals at the time was poor - 'Do what you think best for your baby' was what I was told.
Information is better now thank goodness.
I meant a survey of the reasons for non take up.
What percentage of the lack of take up is - fear/apathy/poor education/it will never happen to my child etc etc.
I was a young Mum at the time of the Whooping Cough scare and it affected me greatly, the lack of feedback from the professionals at the time was poor - 'Do what you think best for your baby' was what I was told.
Information is better now thank goodness.
Sqad...the general concensus of opinion about Wakefield is that he was grossly negligent and possibly fraudulent. I can't find a single piece of evidence that he may be correct in his finding. The Wiki entry shows no wriggle-room whatsoever...he is banged to rights, as it were.
The fact that he still continues to refuse to accept that he was completely wrong, rather indicates a certain pigheadedness, if nothing else.
The problem we now have is the "no smoke without fire" argument is still holding sway amongst some people.
If it pleases, you I will withdraw the word "twit" and you can insert any other word that you think fit !
The fact that he still continues to refuse to accept that he was completely wrong, rather indicates a certain pigheadedness, if nothing else.
The problem we now have is the "no smoke without fire" argument is still holding sway amongst some people.
If it pleases, you I will withdraw the word "twit" and you can insert any other word that you think fit !
Retrochic...how unfortunate you were, to have a Doctor that was taken in by Wakefield's poor research.
Do you still have the same Doctor and is he still of the same opinion ?
If he is, have you asked him why he still believes that there is a link between the MMR vaccination and Autism, despite there now being no provable connection ?
Do you still have the same Doctor and is he still of the same opinion ?
If he is, have you asked him why he still believes that there is a link between the MMR vaccination and Autism, despite there now being no provable connection ?
Mikey, //I can't find a single piece of evidence that he may be correct in his finding. //
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One search - first page on google.
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One search - first page on google.
What do you think Naomi ? You are not normally shy in coming forward...do you think he was correct or do you agree with the BMC ?
It would probably help if you read the wiki entry frst...here it is again ::::
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It would probably help if you read the wiki entry frst...here it is again ::::
https:/
Mikey This was in Canada and I have no idea if he based his opinions on that article. It was my choice and thankfully backed up by my family practitioner at the time. There is as much if not more scaremongering done by the 'you must have it done' brigade , funded no doubt by the major pharmaceutical companies
Mikey, //What do you think Naomi ? //
I think as parents we have an enormous responsibility perhaps not realised by those who aren't parents. As parents we are not making choices for ourselves - we are making them on behalf of other people - choices that could affect their lives forever. Therefore, since doubt has been cast upon the safety of this multiple vaccine, I prefer to err on the side of caution.
I've no doubt that MMR is absolutely safe for most, but I personally know of four children who were perfectly happy and healthy until they were given the vaccine. In my opinion if MMR adversely affects one child in 10,000 it is one too many because unlike Jim, who talks quite coldly about 'risk assessment' - and you, Mikey, having awarded him 'best answer' - I don't consider children to be merely statistics. For me the old adage rings true. 'If in doubt, leave it out'.
I strongly suspect that Doctor Wakefield's research has been demonised and his previously excellent reputation quite disgracefully and purposefully destroyed solely in the cause of financial expediency. Give one and give two free!
I think as parents we have an enormous responsibility perhaps not realised by those who aren't parents. As parents we are not making choices for ourselves - we are making them on behalf of other people - choices that could affect their lives forever. Therefore, since doubt has been cast upon the safety of this multiple vaccine, I prefer to err on the side of caution.
I've no doubt that MMR is absolutely safe for most, but I personally know of four children who were perfectly happy and healthy until they were given the vaccine. In my opinion if MMR adversely affects one child in 10,000 it is one too many because unlike Jim, who talks quite coldly about 'risk assessment' - and you, Mikey, having awarded him 'best answer' - I don't consider children to be merely statistics. For me the old adage rings true. 'If in doubt, leave it out'.
I strongly suspect that Doctor Wakefield's research has been demonised and his previously excellent reputation quite disgracefully and purposefully destroyed solely in the cause of financial expediency. Give one and give two free!
No, but that story of the 4 children is, and there is no proof whatsoever that they contracted Autism directly from the MMR jab.
Your link was hardly conclusive, and the fact that it featured the now completely discredited Wakefield would cast severe doubt on its veracity.
Again, if I had to choose between anecdotal evidence and the British Medical Council, the BMC would win every time. An average across Britain of 92.3% of people seemed to have come to the same conclusion.
But of course, Diana could have been murdered I suppose...no smoke without fire !
Your link was hardly conclusive, and the fact that it featured the now completely discredited Wakefield would cast severe doubt on its veracity.
Again, if I had to choose between anecdotal evidence and the British Medical Council, the BMC would win every time. An average across Britain of 92.3% of people seemed to have come to the same conclusion.
But of course, Diana could have been murdered I suppose...no smoke without fire !
"Therefore, since doubt has been cast upon the safety of this multiple vaccine, I prefer to err on the side of caution. "
Doubt can be cast on anything -- whether there is any substance to that doubt or not. Here there is none. As to risk assessment being "cold", that's a bit unfair, really. I'm trying to phrase it in the same terms, which is best for the child? Giving them a jab that might increase the risk of autism (even though no credible evidence for this exists), but will greatly reduce the risks of catching dangerous diseases, or refusing the jab, that is unlikely to have an observable effect on the chances of developing autism but will increase the risk of suffering from those diseases? Why should posing that question be so cold? You have to weight up both consequences, and very few people it seems are very good at that -- either as parents, or at any other time.
Doubt can be cast on anything -- whether there is any substance to that doubt or not. Here there is none. As to risk assessment being "cold", that's a bit unfair, really. I'm trying to phrase it in the same terms, which is best for the child? Giving them a jab that might increase the risk of autism (even though no credible evidence for this exists), but will greatly reduce the risks of catching dangerous diseases, or refusing the jab, that is unlikely to have an observable effect on the chances of developing autism but will increase the risk of suffering from those diseases? Why should posing that question be so cold? You have to weight up both consequences, and very few people it seems are very good at that -- either as parents, or at any other time.
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This is a classic case of where the cold,clinical side fights against a parent's deep instinct to protect their child from'everything' - we know it's an impossibility but we try.
You are bombarded and bamboozled from all sides including older relatives anecdotal evidence and make your choice - then hope.
As I said above years ago with the whooping cough scare,I made my choice and one child fell to Pertussis, thankfully only mild but I still had the guilt.
My Grandchildren are on the Autistic Spectrum ,none of us attach any blame to the MMR.
Are we right? Who knows.
You are bombarded and bamboozled from all sides including older relatives anecdotal evidence and make your choice - then hope.
As I said above years ago with the whooping cough scare,I made my choice and one child fell to Pertussis, thankfully only mild but I still had the guilt.
My Grandchildren are on the Autistic Spectrum ,none of us attach any blame to the MMR.
Are we right? Who knows.
The 1 in 10,000 stuff is just a figure plucked from the air, though. If it were genuinely that high I wouldn't be so "cold", or whatever description you choose. But it's not -- no evidence that it is, nothing credible, so the risk is essentially imagined. As to separate v. together, it really makes not the blindest bit of difference. Not with the other multiple jabs, eg DTP, that critics of MMR are curiously silent on. Possibly money plays a part, but even then I hope it's obvious that it can work both ways. Those producing and selling the separate vaccines have just as much interest in discrediting the combined jab as MMR sellers have of dismissing the perceived risks.
It should remain the choice of the parents, though. My hope is that they would make as informed a choice as possible, and one that is in the best interests of the safety not only of their own children, but also of others around them -- immunity, or lack of it, is not just a matter of your own health due to herd immunity, hence the 95% target rather than 100%, as 95% would be enough to protect the remainder.
It should remain the choice of the parents, though. My hope is that they would make as informed a choice as possible, and one that is in the best interests of the safety not only of their own children, but also of others around them -- immunity, or lack of it, is not just a matter of your own health due to herd immunity, hence the 95% target rather than 100%, as 95% would be enough to protect the remainder.
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