The Nra Had Better Dust Down Their Book Of Excuses. 13 Dead In Oregon College Shooting.

[sandyRoe]

Can any outrage in the USA move their politicians to bring in change?

[Noe-schitt]

They obviously needed a good guy with a gun

[EDDIE51]

Already a thread on it
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1447753.html

[Canary42]

The trouble is that gun ownership is so widespread (the number of personally guns owned works out at 4 guns per capita) the enforcement of any gun laws will be actively opposed by many gun owners - carnage will result.

[-Talbot-]

4 guns per capita


Got a link Canary?

[Baldric]

They did Sandy, an hour or so ago!

[ludwig]

// Can any outrage in the USA move their politicians to bring in change? //

Nope.

[mikey4444]

We discuss this sort of thing every few weeks here on AB, and its always the same....a mad American, with access to guns. Until the issue of gun ownership is finally dealt with, its going to continue to happen over and over and over again.

Americans have the answer to this.

[-Talbot-]

We discuss this sort of thing every few weeks here on AB, and its always the same....a mad American,



He was born in England.

[mikey4444]

Talbot....this outrage occurred in America, not here in Britain, and due to our strict guns laws, it is much less likely to happen here.

[jno]

about the 300th mass shooting this year; 993 since Obama was re-elected (though it's not his fault, he's made his horror perfectly clear and suggested British laws are better).

[sandyRoe]

If The Right in America were accused of condoning human sacrifices on the altars of their gods, the clauses of their constitution, they'd be outraged. Yet that's what they seem to be doing.

[andy-hughes]

Mr Obama makes his frustration clear when he talks about the paucity of appropriate legislation to attempt to deal with tragedies like this.

But he is allowed that luxury as a President with the end of his term in sight, and no worries about re-election.

The simple fact is - if Mr Obama were a candidate for the next elections, he would not be vocalising his frustration with his fellow countrymen in this way - because it would represent a one-way ticket to political oblivion.

No presidential nominee who wants to have a shot at the title is ever going to talk down gun ownership - because it is a guaranteed vote-loser, and therein lies the problem.

How can you wonder about legislation against gun ownership when the legislators are elected by the gun owners?

Breaking that cycle is not in sight any time soon.

[jno]

"the Gun Owners of America, a conservative alternative to the National Rifle Association, cast the blame in a Facebook post on Umpqua community college for being a gun-free zone".

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-gun-control-laws-oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting

[anotheoldgit]

Seems it was a 'religion' killing

/// Harper-Mercer made his victims lie on the ground and then stand up and state their religion before shooting them according to eyewitnesses, also asking they were Christian and saying; 'Good, you'll see God in a second' ///

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256633/Shooter-Oregon-community-college-kills-15-people-campus.html

[jno]

an anti-religion killing, maybe, somebody who doesn't like believers. He seems to have been interested in the IRA, and was down as a stage assistant in a forthcoming Noel Cward play, which suggests.... erm, I don't know what that suggests.

[ToraToraTora]

The president was visibly angry on the news today and I share his frustration, even though he does not have to worry about political suicide, he like all politicians in the US are powerless to deal with this issue. The intransigence of the gun lobby is an immovable object.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Talbot....this outrage occurred in America, not here in Britain, and due to our strict guns laws, it is much less likely to happen here. ///

You know that for certain do you mikey?

It is oftern said "when America sneezes, the UK catches cold".

[jno]

a country where there's an even more conservative group than the NRA is a wondrous thing.

[jno]

aog, America has been sneezing like this for decades; and yet the UK has mostly been free of such things - events like Dunblane are strictly abnormal, which tragically you can't say for the USA.

[Gromit]

Don't think so AOG.
He was an extreme rightwing nazi sympathiser, who seems to have committed the crime for the 15 minutes of fame it would bring him.

There is no evidence that those who were not religious, or of other faiths than Christian were spared. Telling religious people they were about to meet their maker was a cruel gesture from someone committing mass murder.