Should Luxury Goods Be Provided For Syrian Refugees In Uk?

[anotheoldgit]

The Daily Mail are not the only one's to misreport, it would seem. here is what the Guardian chose to put:

/// The Home Office guidance states that councils should not offer white or brown goods that might be deemed nonessential to resettled Syrians as part of the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme. Items that appear not to be allowed include fridges, cookers, radios, computers, TVs and DVDs. ///

And yet what a spokesperson for the Home Office said:

/// “The guidance sets out that local authorities can provide food storage, cooking and washing facilities, including a fridge, cooker and toaster. Not included under the criteria ‘other white goods or brown goods’, are TVs, DVD players or any other electrical entertainment appliances.” ///

[Gromit]

Have you checked that he Home Ofice spokesman is correctly relaying the rules?
I can't be bothered to check, but there is the possibility that the Guardian are not misreporting it, and the official is in error.

If the Guardian are mistaken, it looks like a genuine error rather than an attempt to deliberately mislead, which is the Mail's MO.

[Gromit]

Irrespective of which report is correct, I would think a cooker and a fridge are essential items, and not luxuries.

[Gromit]

Here is the report that both quotes come from. It is now clear that AOG is confused and the Guardian are not misleading anyone.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/11/home-office-bans-luxury-goods-for-syrian-refugee

The first quote is NEW guidance from the Home Office sent out a few days ago to coincide with Theresa May's Conference speech. Presumably that supercedes previous guidance.
The second quote above is an Home Office spokesman quoting 2014 guidance. Presumably the new guidance supercedes the old guidance.

Essentially, if you have a cooker, the Government thinks that is a luxury. A pretty false pisition to take I would contend.

[Svejk]

It's pisition taking alright.

[Gromit]

:-) I really must get this typing finger fixed.

[Jackdaw33]

Not sure that a toaster is an essential item. I don't have one; the grill on the cooker is far more reliable.

[anotheoldgit]

Sorry I failed to supply the link.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/11/home-office-bans-luxury-goods-for-syrian-refugee

Gromit

/// If the Guardian are mistaken, it looks like a genuine error rather than an attempt to deliberately mislead, which is the Mail's MO. ///

Oh dear, oh dear, no it can't possibly be the Guardian deliberately attempting to mislead can it?

I admire your continuing support of the Guardian, but that is only to be expected I suppose.

/// Irrespective of which report is correct, I would think a cooker and a fridge are essential items, and not luxuries. ///

So you agree with the Home Office then, as they also believe that a cooker and a fridge are not luxury goods?

It must be the Guardian's misreporting for some reason, perhaps it is a slow news day, so they decided to print a non-news story?

[anotheoldgit]

Jackdaw33

/// Not sure that a toaster is an essential item. I don't have one; the grill on the cooker is far more reliable. ///

Not if you take your eyes of it, it isn't.

[jno]

aog, have you read the link Gromit supplied, indicating that one set of rules has replaced the other? He is not, as far as I know, a regular Guardian reader and has no reason to defend it.

[Gromit]

AOG
I do not continue to support the Guardian I don't even like the newspaper.

But I will defend it if it is wrongly accused, as you have done. Try reading the article properly and concentrate on comprehending its meaning.

A new set of guidance replaces old guidance. The Guardian quote both so that we can see the change in policy.

[anotheoldgit]

The guidance had been in place since 2014.

[Gromit]

Yes AOG,
But new guidance came out last week which was different. Hence the 2 versions quoted.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit read what the Guardian's report says:

/// The Home Office guidance states that councils should not offer white or brown goods that might be deemed nonessential to resettled Syrians as part of the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme. Items that appear not to be allowed include fridges, cookers, radios, computers, TVs and DVDs. ///

Items that 'APPEAR' not to be allowed.

Only to the Guardian it would appear.

/// One local authority, Islington council in north London, confirmed it had received new draft guidance that permitted provision of “food storage, cooking and washing facilities” but it said that accommodation “should not include the provisions of other white goods and brown goods which could be considered luxury items”. ///


/// adding that the guidance had been in place since 2014. They added: “The guidance sets out that local authorities can provide food storage, cooking and washing facilities, including a fridge, cooker and toaster. Not included under the criteria ‘other white goods or brown goods’, are TVs, DVD players or any other electrical entertainment appliances.” ///

[Gromit]

// A spokesperson for the Home Office said the guidance had been in place since 2014. The guidance sets out that local authorities can provide food storage, cooking and washing facilities, including a fridge, cooker and toaster. //

// Local authorities were sent NEW DRAFT guidance on Tuesday. Items that appear not to be allowed include fridges, cookers. //

So what is permitted has changed (or is changing). Cookers and fridges that were allowed, will not be allowed IN FUTURE.

There is no attempt to misreport anything. The problem is not the Guardian being untruthful, it is your own poor comprehension skills and inability to understand what yo are reading.