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Why are the Left not concerned about mass immigration and the detrimental effect on our infrastructure, the invasion of Europe, the threat of Islam on our culture, the increase in knife crime, and the changing face of Britain?
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mikey4444
/// So why are you castigating people on the left then AOG ? ///
Not castigating you mikey, just curious how the Left's mind set thinks, hence my question.
/// It was quite clear who you meant by the "Left"....there are few of us here on AB but we are not invisible nor shy in coming forward. ///
It would seem there are fewer than thought, judging by the denials and those who obviously didn't seem qualified to answer my question, and I hate to think what political leanings that they follow.
Some more interested in Aussie pop stars it seems.
/// So why are you castigating people on the left then AOG ? ///
Not castigating you mikey, just curious how the Left's mind set thinks, hence my question.
/// It was quite clear who you meant by the "Left"....there are few of us here on AB but we are not invisible nor shy in coming forward. ///
It would seem there are fewer than thought, judging by the denials and those who obviously didn't seem qualified to answer my question, and I hate to think what political leanings that they follow.
Some more interested in Aussie pop stars it seems.
“I didn't realise Europe has been invaded…”
Did you not, Mosaic? Since the beginning of the year it is estimated that some 750,000 migrants have made their way across the Mediterranean from either North Africa or Turkey to Europe. They have arrived uninvited and without leave to land or remain. Almost all of them have made the journey by clandestine methods either in rubber boats or vastly overloaded vessels. Once in Europe they have made their way through the continent, often against the wishes of the countries they have passed through. Indeed many nations have constructed physical barriers to prevent their progress. On occasions they have become disorderly or violent when the progress to their “destination of choice” was interrupted.
They may not have guns and tanks but their effect on Europe will be profound. The continent does not have accommodation or capacity in its vital services such as healthcare, education and transport to handle such numbers. Even countries such as Sweden, probably the most migrant friendly nation in the EU, is buckling under the strain.
This is every bit an invasion. There is no end to it in sight; the numbers that have arrived thusfar are said to be only the beginning; public spending in almost all EU nations is under pressure and the effects of huge numbers of uninvited migrants will see that spending come under increased pressure, inevitably to the detriment of those already here. If you don’t see the arrival of hundreds of thousands (and counting) of uninvited people, who have no intention of leaving, as an invasion our understanding of the term must differ.
I note you “…think a plural society is a good thing and would like many resist moves to reduce choice of belief or lifestyle.” I don’t think anybody here is suggesting controlling choice of belief or lifestyle. All people seem to be saying is that the choice of belief or lifestyle of those currently invading Europe can be exercised elsewhere. Yes, change does happen. But it’s usually gradual and it’s usually with consent. This has no consent of the recipient nations because those arriving are doing so contrary to the law of those countries (which, in my book, makes their actions without consent).
Did you not, Mosaic? Since the beginning of the year it is estimated that some 750,000 migrants have made their way across the Mediterranean from either North Africa or Turkey to Europe. They have arrived uninvited and without leave to land or remain. Almost all of them have made the journey by clandestine methods either in rubber boats or vastly overloaded vessels. Once in Europe they have made their way through the continent, often against the wishes of the countries they have passed through. Indeed many nations have constructed physical barriers to prevent their progress. On occasions they have become disorderly or violent when the progress to their “destination of choice” was interrupted.
They may not have guns and tanks but their effect on Europe will be profound. The continent does not have accommodation or capacity in its vital services such as healthcare, education and transport to handle such numbers. Even countries such as Sweden, probably the most migrant friendly nation in the EU, is buckling under the strain.
This is every bit an invasion. There is no end to it in sight; the numbers that have arrived thusfar are said to be only the beginning; public spending in almost all EU nations is under pressure and the effects of huge numbers of uninvited migrants will see that spending come under increased pressure, inevitably to the detriment of those already here. If you don’t see the arrival of hundreds of thousands (and counting) of uninvited people, who have no intention of leaving, as an invasion our understanding of the term must differ.
I note you “…think a plural society is a good thing and would like many resist moves to reduce choice of belief or lifestyle.” I don’t think anybody here is suggesting controlling choice of belief or lifestyle. All people seem to be saying is that the choice of belief or lifestyle of those currently invading Europe can be exercised elsewhere. Yes, change does happen. But it’s usually gradual and it’s usually with consent. This has no consent of the recipient nations because those arriving are doing so contrary to the law of those countries (which, in my book, makes their actions without consent).
AOG - // ... and I hate to think what political leanings that they follow.//
That's really only an issue if you define people, and whether you like them or not, by their perceived political persuasion.
Some on here positively froth at the mouth at perceived notion of being 'the left', and its apparent blanket acceptance of anti-social behaviour.
I remember as a teenager being appalled at the notion that some of my contemporaries may not worship Emerson Lake And palmer with the same fervour I enjoyed.
But I grew out of it.
That's really only an issue if you define people, and whether you like them or not, by their perceived political persuasion.
Some on here positively froth at the mouth at perceived notion of being 'the left', and its apparent blanket acceptance of anti-social behaviour.
I remember as a teenager being appalled at the notion that some of my contemporaries may not worship Emerson Lake And palmer with the same fervour I enjoyed.
But I grew out of it.
Nice to see someone posting and actually keeping a discussion about the topic, NJ.
I still disagree that what we are witnessing is an invasion, as to me that implies military engagement. And they were invited into Germany, where unsurprisingly thousands have since headed. It's fascinating to witness a mass population movement - these have happened periodically across time, and this just seems to be one of those times.
Many mass population movements in the past have also attracted fears but it just - settles down - after time passes. Changes happens. The language we are communicating with now was brought by mass migration.
Obviously this mass movement will have an economic impact. I don't know that Sweden's buckling - any more than the UK is buckling. Times have been rendered hard all round, more by capitalistic greed and the croneyism of the establishment than by mass migration.
Germany made an open invitation - people smugglers both full-time and opportunistic are enabling all manner of migrants to cross from Turkey to Germany. This could have been avoided by combined action to root out the smugglers and provide sufficient secure processing bases where migrants could be assessed and allocated.
A time of change, certainly. Turn and face the strange, eh?
I still disagree that what we are witnessing is an invasion, as to me that implies military engagement. And they were invited into Germany, where unsurprisingly thousands have since headed. It's fascinating to witness a mass population movement - these have happened periodically across time, and this just seems to be one of those times.
Many mass population movements in the past have also attracted fears but it just - settles down - after time passes. Changes happens. The language we are communicating with now was brought by mass migration.
Obviously this mass movement will have an economic impact. I don't know that Sweden's buckling - any more than the UK is buckling. Times have been rendered hard all round, more by capitalistic greed and the croneyism of the establishment than by mass migration.
Germany made an open invitation - people smugglers both full-time and opportunistic are enabling all manner of migrants to cross from Turkey to Germany. This could have been avoided by combined action to root out the smugglers and provide sufficient secure processing bases where migrants could be assessed and allocated.
A time of change, certainly. Turn and face the strange, eh?
Yes Frau Merkel did make an open invitation (foolishly as it transpires. Something which I think even she now admits). But the invasion was under way long before that and her invitation was part of the hysterical reaction to the picture of the body of a small boy washed up on a Greek Beach. (You may recall he and his family were billed as “refugees fleeing war-torn Syria” when in fact they had lived quite safely in Turkey for more than three years. They had a house, the father had a job).
There have been numerous articles about Sweden over the past week or so. Here’s one from the Grauniad (not known for its rabid right-wing comments):
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The article (not surprisingly) focuses on the worrying (in their view) rise of the Sweden Democrat Party who now hold the balance of power and who are vehemently opposed to unfettered immigration. However, a few extracts to save you reading it all:
“There are now more than 7,000 applications for political asylum a week in Sweden and the system is almost at bursting point. There have been small riots in Malmö over the demolition of a migrant camp set up for Palestinians and a general sense that the fabric of Swedish society is under strain.”
“There is also a perceptible weakening of support for the policy of unrestricted immigration for anyone who can make it across the EU as far as Sweden.”
I’m glad you find such mass movement of people fascinating. Perhaps the people of this village may share your fascination (or maybe not):
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Of course eventually (if and when the influx ever abates) the situation will “normalise” (i.e. people will get used to what has been foisted upon them). But the question is why should their governments treat their requirements in such a cavalier fashion?
There have been numerous articles about Sweden over the past week or so. Here’s one from the Grauniad (not known for its rabid right-wing comments):
http://
The article (not surprisingly) focuses on the worrying (in their view) rise of the Sweden Democrat Party who now hold the balance of power and who are vehemently opposed to unfettered immigration. However, a few extracts to save you reading it all:
“There are now more than 7,000 applications for political asylum a week in Sweden and the system is almost at bursting point. There have been small riots in Malmö over the demolition of a migrant camp set up for Palestinians and a general sense that the fabric of Swedish society is under strain.”
“There is also a perceptible weakening of support for the policy of unrestricted immigration for anyone who can make it across the EU as far as Sweden.”
I’m glad you find such mass movement of people fascinating. Perhaps the people of this village may share your fascination (or maybe not):
http://
Of course eventually (if and when the influx ever abates) the situation will “normalise” (i.e. people will get used to what has been foisted upon them). But the question is why should their governments treat their requirements in such a cavalier fashion?
"the other thing you may have noticed is that they always change the subject when they are wrong and haven't got the guts to own up , QED"
as always TTT....
and "hatred" the classic from the dancingprancer who really cant cope when he gets put down on here and likes to use to describe views that he doesnt agree with, which is pretty much all the time
as always TTT....
and "hatred" the classic from the dancingprancer who really cant cope when he gets put down on here and likes to use to describe views that he doesnt agree with, which is pretty much all the time
AOG, it's quite simple. The 'left' are so wrapped up in their ideology they cannot see the bigger picture.
One thin I would take issue with is 'Left'. I know plenty of proper lefties and they hate the invasion of Europe and our country perhaps even more than me. I think the people you should be aiming this question at are the right-on liberal left, aka the Guardianista's. Those that live in fancy Islington houses and usually have the mantra 'Do as I say not as I do'.
One thin I would take issue with is 'Left'. I know plenty of proper lefties and they hate the invasion of Europe and our country perhaps even more than me. I think the people you should be aiming this question at are the right-on liberal left, aka the Guardianista's. Those that live in fancy Islington houses and usually have the mantra 'Do as I say not as I do'.
Did someone put me down Baz? - I didn't notice.
You really cant get it right can you - it really is not that hard to understand.
It IS hatred, that's what throws the whole "left" vs "right" labelling you seem so fond of puking out all the time. You see, the people you label as "lefties" are (afaics) mereley people who don't spout off about how people aren't punished hard enough. Virtually EVERYTHING you post is literally loaded with hatred and bile, I only get heated as a reaction to this ie. I don't start it.
You really cant get it right can you - it really is not that hard to understand.
It IS hatred, that's what throws the whole "left" vs "right" labelling you seem so fond of puking out all the time. You see, the people you label as "lefties" are (afaics) mereley people who don't spout off about how people aren't punished hard enough. Virtually EVERYTHING you post is literally loaded with hatred and bile, I only get heated as a reaction to this ie. I don't start it.
