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Ok let all and sundry Bomb Daesh and really I couldn't care less if we join in but would we make any difference? I mean uncle tom cobbly and all are bombing anyway so could we do something else useful to help? Too many Cooks? I just get the impression that Dave is feeling left out and wants to be in the "in crowd"!
Ok let all and sundry Bomb Daesh and really I couldn't care less if we join in but would we make any difference? I mean uncle tom cobbly and all are bombing anyway so could we do something else useful to help? Too many Cooks? I just get the impression that Dave is feeling left out and wants to be in the "in crowd"!
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This is now a battle for the spoils.
The US and West have mostly left ISIS alone the last 4 years because they were fighting Assad. So ISIS have hugely expanded on our watch. The idea was that once ISIS had nearly taken the country, we would step in and take it first.
Except it hasn't quite worked out that way. ISIS are not a great army and its soldiers, though fanatical are mostly failed druggies from Blackburn, than useful fighters. So they haven't worried Assad.
So the stalemate played out for the last 3 years was broken by the Russians, who know they can now take the country by beating ISIS.
The present unseemly clamour to bomb ISIS (who we have done little about for 3 years) is so we can snatch a part of the victory and the spoils. Rather like lions scrapping over a peice of dead meat.
The US and West have mostly left ISIS alone the last 4 years because they were fighting Assad. So ISIS have hugely expanded on our watch. The idea was that once ISIS had nearly taken the country, we would step in and take it first.
Except it hasn't quite worked out that way. ISIS are not a great army and its soldiers, though fanatical are mostly failed druggies from Blackburn, than useful fighters. So they haven't worried Assad.
So the stalemate played out for the last 3 years was broken by the Russians, who know they can now take the country by beating ISIS.
The present unseemly clamour to bomb ISIS (who we have done little about for 3 years) is so we can snatch a part of the victory and the spoils. Rather like lions scrapping over a peice of dead meat.
And airstrikes aren't going to win this war, it is troops on the ground.
The Russians plan is to bombard them for months, but that is just to soften them up for the land assault by the Syrian Army/Iranian/Hezbollah.
Without a plan to put troops on the ground (which I assume we are not going to do) any aerial attack not much use.
The cynic in me see Cameron's and Obama's motive for attacking ISIS now as purely face saving and for the propaganda value. The Russians (and her allies) will neutralise ISIS, but Dave will take some of the credit because he fired a couple of shots at the already fatally wounded carcas of ISIS.
The Russians plan is to bombard them for months, but that is just to soften them up for the land assault by the Syrian Army/Iranian/Hezbollah.
Without a plan to put troops on the ground (which I assume we are not going to do) any aerial attack not much use.
The cynic in me see Cameron's and Obama's motive for attacking ISIS now as purely face saving and for the propaganda value. The Russians (and her allies) will neutralise ISIS, but Dave will take some of the credit because he fired a couple of shots at the already fatally wounded carcas of ISIS.
/// "That bomb in Paris, that could have been London. If they had their way, it would be London," said
Mr Cameron. ///
And why does he think they did target France as well as Russia? because they were bombing them.
It is obvious that they are more likely to target us if we join in the bombing.
But that doesn't mean they will not target us anyway.
It won't be any persons from Syria who will carry out their dastardly deeds, but some from our enemy within.
Mr Cameron. ///
And why does he think they did target France as well as Russia? because they were bombing them.
It is obvious that they are more likely to target us if we join in the bombing.
But that doesn't mean they will not target us anyway.
It won't be any persons from Syria who will carry out their dastardly deeds, but some from our enemy within.
For once I agree with Gromit (15.37). Air-strikes without readiness to put boots on the ground are not really that much use. People need to understand this - as they need to understand the real threat from Daesh. (I honestly think that the majority do not - possibly most of the minority of that don't know there is any problem at all.)
Sandyroe @1219, not strictly true Sandy
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//I know what the term means, thank you - my point is that it sounds cold, and clinical, and utterly divorced from its meaning in this context.//
A-H
I didn't realise it was in the remit of ABers to ask you first what expressions or phrases would meet with your approval before they posted. Are we required to search for a host of synonyms that you may vet first.
For "Theatre" you could read battle front, front line.area of operations,war zone,etc etc
For "Collateral damage" Please consider Non -combatants, civilian casualties.,non beligerents etc etc.
Please state your preferred expression so we can assist your sleep pattern.
Alternatively it could be suggested that you grow a pair,man up and if everyday common media,military vernacular is not to your liking you don a pair of cans and listen to your favourite music and steer clear of the reality of the real world and A.B.
As usual it is only you who feels the need to comment on something so trite.
A-H
I didn't realise it was in the remit of ABers to ask you first what expressions or phrases would meet with your approval before they posted. Are we required to search for a host of synonyms that you may vet first.
For "Theatre" you could read battle front, front line.area of operations,war zone,etc etc
For "Collateral damage" Please consider Non -combatants, civilian casualties.,non beligerents etc etc.
Please state your preferred expression so we can assist your sleep pattern.
Alternatively it could be suggested that you grow a pair,man up and if everyday common media,military vernacular is not to your liking you don a pair of cans and listen to your favourite music and steer clear of the reality of the real world and A.B.
As usual it is only you who feels the need to comment on something so trite.
Peter Pedant
Jesus why are people ihere so keen to send men to their deaths ?
Troops on the ground will mean casualties and there is no visible strategy for the current situaiton
pp
Cameron is only asking that Daesh be sent to their Allah via bombing strikes.Not boots on the ground at this stage and hopefully not UK boots ever.
@venator
//IS or whatever want us to bomb them. The recruiters want to say "look, they are killing your brothers - go and fight the kefir" //
Interesting aspect I hadn't paid much thought to, before now: why do they consider themselves all brothers?
Moderate Muslims, such as that group who did the viral video say that terrorism - specifically the Paris attacks - was "not our responsibilty" (Needs a separate thread: was there one?) and distance themselves from terrorism but the terrorists expect them to behave like one big family and have the diaspora run to their aid.
There's a significant dichotomy in that. Jim rightly pointed out that antagonising Muslims living among us can only cause harm but that dichotomy needs to be reinforced. If we can get moderate Muslims to express their support for anti-terrorist operations then that will bulk up the National mandate and drive the vote through.
//IS or whatever want us to bomb them. The recruiters want to say "look, they are killing your brothers - go and fight the kefir" //
Interesting aspect I hadn't paid much thought to, before now: why do they consider themselves all brothers?
Moderate Muslims, such as that group who did the viral video say that terrorism - specifically the Paris attacks - was "not our responsibilty" (Needs a separate thread: was there one?) and distance themselves from terrorism but the terrorists expect them to behave like one big family and have the diaspora run to their aid.
There's a significant dichotomy in that. Jim rightly pointed out that antagonising Muslims living among us can only cause harm but that dichotomy needs to be reinforced. If we can get moderate Muslims to express their support for anti-terrorist operations then that will bulk up the National mandate and drive the vote through.
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