Donald Trump- Muslims

[Svejk]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

[Svejk]

Hilarious to hear the BBC going into meltdown at such an outrageous suggestion.
And totally mystified that his popularity keeps rising.
Wouldn't this be a sensible policy here, until further notice?

[Svejk]

^ I mean 'popular policy' (possibly the same thing)

[sp1814]

Svejk

I assume it was an off the cuff remark, seeing as 'Religion' is not recorded on passports, so it would be extremely difficult to implement.

And what of the American Muslims? Would they be banned from overseas travel? Would they be allowed out, but not back?

And would there be an exclusion for Muslims entering America to attend trade shows?

And how would this affect America's relationship with the Saudi royal family?

A few details would have to be worked out before this was implemented.

[-Talbot-]

He's quite right, slaughtering Americans on home soil should of course be left to Americans!

[mikey4444]

The Mouth On A Stick does it again !

[dave50]

Sounds logical to me.

[-Talbot-]

That's no way to speak about svejk, mikey.

[mikey4444]

See what all the other Presidential hopefuls think about it ! :::

Out on a limb - how other 2016 hopefuls reacted
Republicans:

"ridiculous position" - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
"dangerous overreaction" - businesswoman Carly Fiorina
"offensive and outlandish" - Florida Senator Marco Rubio
"unhinged" - ex-Florida Governor Jeb Bush
"outrageous divisiveness" - Ohio Governor John Kasich
"downright dangerous" - S Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham
"not my policy" - Texas Senator Ted Cruz

Democrats:

"a fascist demagogue" - ex-Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley
"reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive" - Hillary Clinton
"demagogue" - Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders

( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35035190 )

[cactusdriver]

I did notice that after the San B killings the American muslim organisations were vociferous in their condemnation of the crime. Not just from this episode but generally I think Americans identify as Americans first ,before ethnic and religious considerations. I feel that this may not be true here and religious identity comes before national pride for many.

[jim360]

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Here's a thought about what's going on: maybe the vast majority of the one and a half billion Muslims on this planet are sick and tired of being held responsible for the actions of only a tiny proportion of them?

[Zacs-Master]

I'm afraid people want to see politicians taking action. Most of them can't see past the end of their collective nose so they're not bothered what the consequences of such actions are. I'm afraid that's how the majority of the ill-informed populace think.

[mikey4444]

JIm...careful ! ...sounds like far too much common sense to me !

[douglas9401]

The fed up 1.5 billion might want to shout a bit louder to convince the rest of us, Jim.

[-Talbot-]

I'm not sure that the vast majority of the one and a half billion Muslims on this planet are being held responsible for the actions of only a tiny proportion of them, Jim ... but I do think that millions/billions are sick and tired of the actions of the tiny proportion of Muslims whose soul reason for existing is to cause misery to the worlds populace!

[naomi24]

//maybe the vast majority of the one and a half billion Muslims on this planet are sick and tired of being held responsible for the actions of only a tiny proportion of them?//

The problem is that it isn’t a tiny proportion who support terrorist actions. Approximately 25% of British Muslims sympathise with the Charlie Hebdo terrorists – and that translates to around 1 million Muslims in this country.

Worldwide? Take a look at this.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

Complacency is NOT sensible.

[Khandro]

The only country to have done that as far as I know is Japan, and guess what? - zero radical Islamic terrorism. Trump is at least putting it on the agenda for discussion.

[Zacs-Master]

Neuroscientist and New Atheism writer Sam Harris wrote, "The position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you."

Wiki.

[mikey4444]

What Trump is advocating here is just not practical.

As has been said, Religion is not recorded on passports, so how will the American authorities stop Muslims from entering the country ?

Millions of people land at American airports every year, from all around the globe....does he really think that these travellers will be asked what their religion is on entry ?

If Trump wants to look for yet another band wagon to jump on, perhaps he should think about his own home-grown nutters, like the fundamental Christians who murder people indiscriminately outside abortion clinics, as has happened recently.

As Talbot said earlier :::::: He's quite right, slaughtering Americans on home soil should of course be left to Americans!

The fact that none of his fellow Republicans agree with him on this issue speaks volumes.

Thanks goodness that this loud-mouth boor will never get anywhere near the White House !

[vulcan42]

Trump loves to cry havoc without offering any practical solutions, he is a dangerous egocentric.

[jim360]

"Sympathise" is such a woolly concept, though. I can sympathise with a whole lot of positions without advocating the response to those positions, let alone having any intention to respond in the same sort of way myself. I came to sympathise with the plight of the French people in the lead-up to their 1789 revolution having visited Versailles, for example (who wouldn't? Such an expression of wealth, power and oppression of the masses), but I'm not planning on setting up a guillotine or storming a local prison any time soon.

We need to be very wary of the sort of sweeping generalisations that can risk making the problem even worse. The narrative that ISIS is determined to sell is one of a war between Muslims and -- well, just about everybody else, now that they have dragged Russia and even China into the fray. Whatever we do about ISIS in particular, and I've made clear my support for military action there, we should ensure that we absolutely do not support that narrative. And a call to bar all Muslims from entering a country is exactly doing the opposite of that.