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More Scaremongering Shown To Be False
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I know there is a thread running re Cameron's scaremongering about leaving the EU and Borders.This is about another piece of scaremongering which appears patently untrue. Those who spend their time ridiculing Mr Farage would do better to listen to what he says instead.He has been saying what this story reveals for ages. This,I believe, is the truth of it and Mr Farage should know better than Cameron . At least Nigel had a job and experience in banking and finance before entering politics.
I know there is a thread running re Cameron's scaremongering about leaving the EU and Borders.This is about another piece of scaremongering which appears patently untrue. Those who spend their time ridiculing Mr Farage would do better to listen to what he says instead.He has been saying what this story reveals for ages. This,I believe, is the truth of it and Mr Farage should know better than Cameron . At least Nigel had a job and experience in banking and finance before entering politics.
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My view may be simplistic regarding the EU, but I believe its simplicity does not deny its validity -
If Britain's export prices are attractive to its customers anywhere in the world, then the customers will buy.
That's the basic premise of trade, and has been since trade began.
So the need to be 'in the EU' is a fallacy.
Any argument from anyone?
If Britain's export prices are attractive to its customers anywhere in the world, then the customers will buy.
That's the basic premise of trade, and has been since trade began.
So the need to be 'in the EU' is a fallacy.
Any argument from anyone?
the EUphiles are terrified they may be wrong and will go to any lengths, even sacrificing the nation rather than admit it. The politicians like it because it gives them a gravy train. The EU is a massive millstone around our necks, there are no benefits that we need to be in it to achieve. Out ASAP. The left and anti British attack Farage because they always attack the messenger and ignore the message unless it is an approved message.
47%, nearly half our exports is a very large amount of trade to lose and try and replace. To pretend we do not need the EU is rather disingenuous.
If the figure was insignificant, business wouldn't be bothered which way the referendum Went. But it is business that is at the forefront of the campaign to stay in. The majority of CBI members want to stay in the EU.
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If the figure was insignificant, business wouldn't be bothered which way the referendum Went. But it is business that is at the forefront of the campaign to stay in. The majority of CBI members want to stay in the EU.
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I'm anti-EU but not on economic grounds. The first commenter on the DM article seems to have a point:
"Interesting that this article only focuses on trade, the import and export of goods. It does not mention services. The UK has a huge surplus with the EU thanks largely to London's dominance in the banking industry. Frankfurt, London's main European competitor, will be delighted to grab some of that market if we leave. Lots of white collar jobs under threat and substantial tax revenues lost if/when the EU imposes tariffs on London's services sector. "
"Interesting that this article only focuses on trade, the import and export of goods. It does not mention services. The UK has a huge surplus with the EU thanks largely to London's dominance in the banking industry. Frankfurt, London's main European competitor, will be delighted to grab some of that market if we leave. Lots of white collar jobs under threat and substantial tax revenues lost if/when the EU imposes tariffs on London's services sector. "
Gromit - //47%, nearly half our exports is a very large amount of trade to lose and try and replace. //
But that relies on the (I believe false) assumption that EU countries would cease to trade with the UK simply because we were no longer EU members.
I cannot see any country buying goods at a higher price simply to make a political point - that is not how economics works.
But that relies on the (I believe false) assumption that EU countries would cease to trade with the UK simply because we were no longer EU members.
I cannot see any country buying goods at a higher price simply to make a political point - that is not how economics works.
Gromit:"47%, nearly half our exports is a very large amount of trade to lose and try and replace. To pretend we do not need the EU is rather disingenuous. " - NO a thousand times NO, EUphiles whine on about trade as if you need to be in the EU to do a deal. They sell us stuff too gromit! Commerce overrides political scaremongering all day long.
TTT - //forgive me Andy I thought you were an EU phile, apologies, you seem to have a common sense view. //
Absolutely no problem at all.
I recall Britain joining the EU, and it did seem a sensible idea at the time, and the crucial point is 'at the time'.
It is abundantly clear that the EU Britain joined is long gone, and the organisation that bears its name carries none of the advantages and serious amounts of disadvantages to the UK that makes membership redundant.
Absolutely no problem at all.
I recall Britain joining the EU, and it did seem a sensible idea at the time, and the crucial point is 'at the time'.
It is abundantly clear that the EU Britain joined is long gone, and the organisation that bears its name carries none of the advantages and serious amounts of disadvantages to the UK that makes membership redundant.
How is it not scaremongering to describe the EU as a massive millstone around our necks, the shedding of which would presumably suddenly allow us to, what -- overtake Japan in terms of GDP? What do people really expect to achieve? Can they quantify it? I highly doubt it. If potentially overstating the dangers of leaving the EU is scaremongering, then so is overstating the dangers of staying -- not to mention underplaying the benefits of the EU, which despite people's determination to ignore there are some of. It's hypocrisy in the extreme, given the amount of (totally unfounded) scare stories about the EU that have been pushed on the public in recent years.
jim360 - there is a huge amount riding on the results of the referendum - not least Mr Cameron's future political career.
The higher the states, the more florid the rhetoric - remember the Scottish referendum, when similar wild statements were being bandied about?
We can only expect it to get worse as Cameron fails to get anything approaching the concessions he needs, and hurtles towards political oblivion not seen since Ed ... Ed ..., no, it's gone ... that other chap lost the plot, and his career.
The higher the states, the more florid the rhetoric - remember the Scottish referendum, when similar wild statements were being bandied about?
We can only expect it to get worse as Cameron fails to get anything approaching the concessions he needs, and hurtles towards political oblivion not seen since Ed ... Ed ..., no, it's gone ... that other chap lost the plot, and his career.
We can trade with the EU while not being part of it. But being a member gives us advantages of the single market. Do ypu really think we will still do half of our trade with the EU when/if we leave?
Many Non EU countries do trade with us now pricisely because we are in the EU. We are a gateway into the EU single market for them. Leaving would lose us teade with those countries too.
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Many Non EU countries do trade with us now pricisely because we are in the EU. We are a gateway into the EU single market for them. Leaving would lose us teade with those countries too.
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