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What's the point of Cameron presenting these reforms only for thm to be voted against Not worth the paper they are written on. I hope nobody believes in them. The EU have renaded on so many promises, does anyone actually believe they will happen?
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linda if the EU president is saying that they will block the promised reforms after our referendum anyway,it shows the utter contempt they have for us. He knows we are about to vote in or out but still cannot resist threatening to block any promised reforms. Just imagine how we will be treated if we vote in.
The EU is in trouble anyway. The Eurozone is about to implode (again). We've already had to help bale out Greece although we were not in the Euro. There's a downturn in the economies of other EU countries apart from the UK.
I have always been uncomfortable having to except laws made by neglected commissioners that you can't vote in our out. MEPs have little say (I think they have only hours to debate each issue and are heavily whipped. Each country generally only looks at its own interest first, especially our "Leaders" Germany who have achieved what they failed n the last century. Open your eyes Jim!!
I have always been uncomfortable having to except laws made by neglected commissioners that you can't vote in our out. MEPs have little say (I think they have only hours to debate each issue and are heavily whipped. Each country generally only looks at its own interest first, especially our "Leaders" Germany who have achieved what they failed n the last century. Open your eyes Jim!!
And the eussr are now putting pressure on turkey to sort out its borders etc etc...you can guess what the turks will want for doing this, they arent going to do it for nada..yes , theyll want their eussr membership put through and a lot faster than its currently going...so turkey, bosnia and how many moremillions ofmuslims will the new empire have ?
It is not the EU President's gift to guarantee these changes.
All changes have to be agreed in a vote of the 27 members (it's a democracy) Donald Tusk can no more deliver the required result than John Bercow can tell make Parliament vote how he wants.
The problem here is of Cameron's own making. If the referendum is this year, there is not enough time for the concessions to be voted on in the EU parliament to make them binding.
The President is warning that if the referendum takes place before the EU Parliament has time to vote, then the vote might not ratify Cameron's changes.
Dave's dithering is the prblem. He should name a date, and give everyone a deadline they can work to (to get the promises properly ratified).
As a side note, you talk of so many EU promises renaded (I assume you mean reneged) on. What promises were they, and who made them?
All changes have to be agreed in a vote of the 27 members (it's a democracy) Donald Tusk can no more deliver the required result than John Bercow can tell make Parliament vote how he wants.
The problem here is of Cameron's own making. If the referendum is this year, there is not enough time for the concessions to be voted on in the EU parliament to make them binding.
The President is warning that if the referendum takes place before the EU Parliament has time to vote, then the vote might not ratify Cameron's changes.
Dave's dithering is the prblem. He should name a date, and give everyone a deadline they can work to (to get the promises properly ratified).
As a side note, you talk of so many EU promises renaded (I assume you mean reneged) on. What promises were they, and who made them?
oh dear gromit gromit gromit...its all smokescreens and mirrors...anything given will be taken back at the earliest opportunity, they have no intention of letting us rule our country our way with our laws...when will people like you learn, when will you, if ever get the message...they are building an empire, everybody has to be ruled by them and the laws they make...why try and confuse and obfuscate something that fundamentally is extremely simple....
bazwillrun - //why try and confuse and obfuscate something that fundamentally is extremely simple.... //
Because it is not extremely simple - anything but!
The media like to stoke up their scare-mongering, and a lot of the population enjoy taking a simplistic view of a seriously complicated set of circumstances, but as gromit outlines, there are a large number of factors involved that do not make the issue as simple as many would wish to see it.
Because it is not extremely simple - anything but!
The media like to stoke up their scare-mongering, and a lot of the population enjoy taking a simplistic view of a seriously complicated set of circumstances, but as gromit outlines, there are a large number of factors involved that do not make the issue as simple as many would wish to see it.
Cameron wants to call a snap referendum this summer.
But that would not give the EU time to debate and vote on the changes.
If the referendum takes place before the EU has its vote, then any promises are worthless.
Cameron should work out a deadline with Tusk to make sure the referendum takes place AFTER an EU vote. The EU vote will waterdown the changes, so we should only vote in a referendum once we know the final deal.
Cameron is either being deceptive or stupid.
But that would not give the EU time to debate and vote on the changes.
If the referendum takes place before the EU has its vote, then any promises are worthless.
Cameron should work out a deadline with Tusk to make sure the referendum takes place AFTER an EU vote. The EU vote will waterdown the changes, so we should only vote in a referendum once we know the final deal.
Cameron is either being deceptive or stupid.
"Because it is not extremely simple - anything but! "
shame you selectively decided not to see the word "fundamentally"...why am i not surprised...the only things that are complicated are the details of breaking loose of all the shackles and all the "small print details" that will need to be sorted out..no more complicated than when they were put in place and foisted on us as in many cases in the first place...
shame you selectively decided not to see the word "fundamentally"...why am i not surprised...the only things that are complicated are the details of breaking loose of all the shackles and all the "small print details" that will need to be sorted out..no more complicated than when they were put in place and foisted on us as in many cases in the first place...
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