Cameron Told He May Have These Worthless Concessions Voted Against After The Referendum.

[lindapalmara]

What's the point of Cameron presenting these reforms only for thm to be voted against Not worth the paper they are written on. I hope nobody believes in them. The EU have renaded on so many promises, does anyone actually believe they will happen?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450333/MEPs-warn-PM-block-deal-referendum-Parliament-wreak-havoc-refusing-rubber-stamp-agreement-following-vote.html

[Togo]

linda if the EU president is saying that they will block the promised reforms after our referendum anyway,it shows the utter contempt they have for us. He knows we are about to vote in or out but still cannot resist threatening to block any promised reforms. Just imagine how we will be treated if we vote in.

[lindapalmara]

Yes Togo, they slap is on the hand big time for even daring to step out of line!

[jim360]

I know, it's horrific. It's almost as if because we are only one country out of the 28 then our voice isn't the only one that matters.

[Togo]

^^^Spoken by someone who, despite sometimes not being included in the general consensus during a topic, certainly insists on having a voice.

[jim360]

There's a difference between expecting to have a voice and expecting to get your way, though.

[mrblear]

I'm sure the rest of the EU leaders are *** off with Dave and are only going through the motions - it's very embarrassing and I hope he gets nothing so the British people will see through his charade and realise that this country is ubsuited to membership.

[lindapalmara]

The EU is in trouble anyway. The Eurozone is about to implode (again). We've already had to help bale out Greece although we were not in the Euro. There's a downturn in the economies of other EU countries apart from the UK.

I have always been uncomfortable having to except laws made by neglected commissioners that you can't vote in our out. MEPs have little say (I think they have only hours to debate each issue and are heavily whipped. Each country generally only looks at its own interest first, especially our "Leaders" Germany who have achieved what they failed n the last century. Open your eyes Jim!!

[mrblear]

Funny that; the £ has slipped badly against the € recently, perhaps the bankers haven't been on AB.

[andy-hughes]

I admire Mr Cameron for maintaining his snake oil salesman shtick in the light of increasing evidence that his 'concessions' are at best seriously limited, and at worst, meaningless.

The clock is ticking on his political career I think ...

[bazwillrun]

See my post on the same yesterday..

[bazwillrun]

And the eussr are now putting pressure on turkey to sort out its borders etc etc...you can guess what the turks will want for doing this, they arent going to do it for nada..yes , theyll want their eussr membership put through and a lot faster than its currently going...so turkey, bosnia and how many moremillions ofmuslims will the new empire have ?

[Gromit]

It is not the EU President's gift to guarantee these changes.
All changes have to be agreed in a vote of the 27 members (it's a democracy) Donald Tusk can no more deliver the required result than John Bercow can tell make Parliament vote how he wants.

The problem here is of Cameron's own making. If the referendum is this year, there is not enough time for the concessions to be voted on in the EU parliament to make them binding.

The President is warning that if the referendum takes place before the EU Parliament has time to vote, then the vote might not ratify Cameron's changes.

Dave's dithering is the prblem. He should name a date, and give everyone a deadline they can work to (to get the promises properly ratified).

As a side note, you talk of so many EU promises renaded (I assume you mean reneged) on. What promises were they, and who made them?

[bazwillrun]

oh dear gromit gromit gromit...its all smokescreens and mirrors...anything given will be taken back at the earliest opportunity, they have no intention of letting us rule our country our way with our laws...when will people like you learn, when will you, if ever get the message...they are building an empire, everybody has to be ruled by them and the laws they make...why try and confuse and obfuscate something that fundamentally is extremely simple....

[Gromit]

Baz,
Sorry if the facts get in the way of your conspiracy theory.

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //why try and confuse and obfuscate something that fundamentally is extremely simple.... //

Because it is not extremely simple - anything but!

The media like to stoke up their scare-mongering, and a lot of the population enjoy taking a simplistic view of a seriously complicated set of circumstances, but as gromit outlines, there are a large number of factors involved that do not make the issue as simple as many would wish to see it.

[Gromit]

Cameron wants to call a snap referendum this summer.
But that would not give the EU time to debate and vote on the changes.
If the referendum takes place before the EU has its vote, then any promises are worthless.

Cameron should work out a deadline with Tusk to make sure the referendum takes place AFTER an EU vote. The EU vote will waterdown the changes, so we should only vote in a referendum once we know the final deal.

Cameron is either being deceptive or stupid.

[bazwillrun]

"Sorry if the facts get in the way of your conspiracy theory"

so they arent building an empire ?...dang and there was me looking at all the evidence of their actions over the past 40 or so years....well i never..

[Togo]

^^lol Do you think Gromit favours delaying the referendum because he is aware that we are going to vote out. Cameron and the EU have had plenty of time, enough is enough.

[bazwillrun]

"Because it is not extremely simple - anything but! "

shame you selectively decided not to see the word "fundamentally"...why am i not surprised...the only things that are complicated are the details of breaking loose of all the shackles and all the "small print details" that will need to be sorted out..no more complicated than when they were put in place and foisted on us as in many cases in the first place...

[youngmafbog]

Cameron is Chamberlain reincarnate - I have in my habd a piece of paper, oops why are German tanks piling into London?

We need a Churchill