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'reckless Driver' Clocked At 149Mph On M6 Toll
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Is this Britain's worst driver ? No driving licence and no insurance and he only had a sentence of an eight-month jail sentence, suspended for 12 months !
The mind boggles !
Is this Britain's worst driver ? No driving licence and no insurance and he only had a sentence of an eight-month jail sentence, suspended for 12 months !
The mind boggles !
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This guy was driving a car that mounted the pavement killing a pregnant woman, and he only got ONE year in prison.
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"What misdemeanors do drivers have to do to be banned?"
He would have been banned, losgigs. His case was heard in the Crown Court which means he must have been charged with dangerous driving. This attracts a mandatory ban of 12 months minimum and an extended test must be taken at the end of the ban.
He would have been banned, losgigs. His case was heard in the Crown Court which means he must have been charged with dangerous driving. This attracts a mandatory ban of 12 months minimum and an extended test must be taken at the end of the ban.
mikey the maximum sentence for any driving offence apart from dangerous driving is 6 months in jail. Death by dangerous is max 7 years I think.
I met many 'drivers' when I was working in a prison. They accept the time as a hazard of the 'job'. Remember, when you take the time off for a guilty plea and the release at 'half time' you are not going to do more than 4 or 5 weeks inside for most driving offences !
I met many 'drivers' when I was working in a prison. They accept the time as a hazard of the 'job'. Remember, when you take the time off for a guilty plea and the release at 'half time' you are not going to do more than 4 or 5 weeks inside for most driving offences !
I’m not sure if you mean the ban or the extended test making a difference so I’ll explain both, Mikey.
Firstly the ban. If you do not have a driving licence or have not passed a test you are not disqualified from driving. If you drive without a licence (or without ‘L’ plates if you only hold a provisional) you can only be convicted of “Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence” which carries a maximum of a £1,000 fine. A driving disqualification can only be imposed by a court following conviction and Driving whilst disqualified attracts a maximum six month prison sentence.
Now the extended test. If this gentleman ever wants to formalise his driving arrangements he will have to take a test. Anybody normally doing that would take the standard driving test. He will have to take an extended version. Although not relevant here, the “extended test” must also be taken by anybody convicted of dangerous driving even if they have already passed their test.
It’s 14 years for death by dangerous driving, Eddie. There are a few other driving offences which can attract a higher maximum than 6 mnths. Those that spring to mind:
Dangerous driving – 2 years
Causing death by Careless or Inconsiderate Driving – 5 years
Causing death whilst unlicenced, uninsured or disqualified – 2 years
There are very few others which attract lower custodial sentences and which can only be dealt with in the Magistrates’ Court. Again from memory:
Drive whilst disqualified (6 months)
Driving/attempt to drive with Excess Alcohol (6 months)
Fail to provide specimen (drive/attempt to drive) (6 months)
In charge with Excess Alcohol (3 months)
Fail to provide a specimen (in charge) (3 months)
Fail to stop/report an accident (6 months)
Drive/attempt to drive whilst unfit through drink or drugs (6 months)
In charge whilst unfit through drink or drugs (3 months)
These dozen offences are the only driving offences for which one can be sent to prison (as far as I can recall).
Firstly the ban. If you do not have a driving licence or have not passed a test you are not disqualified from driving. If you drive without a licence (or without ‘L’ plates if you only hold a provisional) you can only be convicted of “Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence” which carries a maximum of a £1,000 fine. A driving disqualification can only be imposed by a court following conviction and Driving whilst disqualified attracts a maximum six month prison sentence.
Now the extended test. If this gentleman ever wants to formalise his driving arrangements he will have to take a test. Anybody normally doing that would take the standard driving test. He will have to take an extended version. Although not relevant here, the “extended test” must also be taken by anybody convicted of dangerous driving even if they have already passed their test.
It’s 14 years for death by dangerous driving, Eddie. There are a few other driving offences which can attract a higher maximum than 6 mnths. Those that spring to mind:
Dangerous driving – 2 years
Causing death by Careless or Inconsiderate Driving – 5 years
Causing death whilst unlicenced, uninsured or disqualified – 2 years
There are very few others which attract lower custodial sentences and which can only be dealt with in the Magistrates’ Court. Again from memory:
Drive whilst disqualified (6 months)
Driving/attempt to drive with Excess Alcohol (6 months)
Fail to provide specimen (drive/attempt to drive) (6 months)
In charge with Excess Alcohol (3 months)
Fail to provide a specimen (in charge) (3 months)
Fail to stop/report an accident (6 months)
Drive/attempt to drive whilst unfit through drink or drugs (6 months)
In charge whilst unfit through drink or drugs (3 months)
These dozen offences are the only driving offences for which one can be sent to prison (as far as I can recall).
Has the law changed recently? Plenty of children, too young to have driving licences, have been disqualified from driving.
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^^ yes that's true but when they apply for insurance they will have to say they have had a ban, so they are instantly uninsurable.
Also what NJ did not mention is that for a case where there are several different offences for which a motorist has been convicted the prison terms run concurrently. I talked to a guy who was serving 6 months for each of 5 or 6 offences all committed at the same time so all being served concurrently. He still only did 5 weeks inside and boasted that when he left jail his mate would be waiting outside with a car for him in which he would immediately drive away from the jail. I actually saw him leave and true to his word there was a car waiting for him , he drove off giving a 2 finger salute to the screws with the words ''Bye, see you next time''
Also what NJ did not mention is that for a case where there are several different offences for which a motorist has been convicted the prison terms run concurrently. I talked to a guy who was serving 6 months for each of 5 or 6 offences all committed at the same time so all being served concurrently. He still only did 5 weeks inside and boasted that when he left jail his mate would be waiting outside with a car for him in which he would immediately drive away from the jail. I actually saw him leave and true to his word there was a car waiting for him , he drove off giving a 2 finger salute to the screws with the words ''Bye, see you next time''
I still maintain that his driver behaved like a complete ***, endangering lives in his dash for glory. At 149mph, he clearly had no concern whatsoever for others.
I would be much happier if the maximum penalty allowed by law had been imposed. He is clearly a menace and needs to be removed from our streets, and roads for as long as possible.
I would be much happier if the maximum penalty allowed by law had been imposed. He is clearly a menace and needs to be removed from our streets, and roads for as long as possible.
No the law has not changed, hc.
Youngsters caught driving are convicted of driving without a licence and insurance and the usual penalty for that (for a young driver) is a driving disqualification. If they drive after that they drive whilst disqualified for which custody is an option (though rarely used for youungsters).
Youngsters caught driving are convicted of driving without a licence and insurance and the usual penalty for that (for a young driver) is a driving disqualification. If they drive after that they drive whilst disqualified for which custody is an option (though rarely used for youungsters).
There is still confusion between a driving disqualification and the lack of a driving licence.
The lack of a driving licence does not mean you are disqualified from driving. You may not have one because you never applied for one, or it has lapsed, or you are too young to apply. If you drive without one you are not driving whilst disqualified (even if you are prevented from holding one by virtue of your age). You are driving without a licence (or, to give the offence its correct title, “driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence” – DOAL for short). If you are caught you can only be charged with DOAL and the maximum penalty is a fine of £1,000.
Only a court can impose a disqualification following conviction. (As an aside, not many people know that a driving disqualification can be imposed for any offence, not just driving offences. The court must be satisfied that the ban is necessary to prevent further offending. For example, a prolific burglar who drives for his "work" may be disqualified from driving following conviction for burglary).
The reason why courts disqualify people who do not hold a licence, or are too young to hold one is to up the ante. If someone drives who has been disqualified by a court they then can be charged with driving whilst disqualified and the maximum sentence is six months custody.
The lack of a driving licence does not mean you are disqualified from driving. You may not have one because you never applied for one, or it has lapsed, or you are too young to apply. If you drive without one you are not driving whilst disqualified (even if you are prevented from holding one by virtue of your age). You are driving without a licence (or, to give the offence its correct title, “driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence” – DOAL for short). If you are caught you can only be charged with DOAL and the maximum penalty is a fine of £1,000.
Only a court can impose a disqualification following conviction. (As an aside, not many people know that a driving disqualification can be imposed for any offence, not just driving offences. The court must be satisfied that the ban is necessary to prevent further offending. For example, a prolific burglar who drives for his "work" may be disqualified from driving following conviction for burglary).
The reason why courts disqualify people who do not hold a licence, or are too young to hold one is to up the ante. If someone drives who has been disqualified by a court they then can be charged with driving whilst disqualified and the maximum sentence is six months custody.
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