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I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
I wager that most are thinking exactly what Kate Hopkins has dared to say, but have been frightened in case they are accused of siding with a 'paedophile' or showing no sympathy for a 'child's' suffering etc etc.
Please don't turn this thread into a anti-Kate Hopkins or even anti-AOG, just comment on the case itself.
Yes we all know that he committed a UK criminal act, but is the media blowing this case out of all proportion?
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Hypo - he knew, she told him before she the incident occurred
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divebuddy - //If you go around expecting everybody you meet to be a wonderful human being, you're in for a bit of a shock. //
I try to live my life the best way I can, and see the good in people, and understand that some people are just wrong.
If you have a problem with that, there is nothing I can do about that.
But I have a far easier time apportioning blame correctly in the Johnson case than you appear to do - and probably less of a nasty taste in my mouth when I have finished arguing my viewpoint.
I try to live my life the best way I can, and see the good in people, and understand that some people are just wrong.
If you have a problem with that, there is nothing I can do about that.
But I have a far easier time apportioning blame correctly in the Johnson case than you appear to do - and probably less of a nasty taste in my mouth when I have finished arguing my viewpoint.
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@andy
If protecting other young girls is the top concern then can you not accept that some of us are merely exploring what things *she did* which others can avoid emulating?
It may strongly resemble victim-blaming but, if you clamp down on all discussion, using that as a blunt tool then there is no opportunity that they might learn anything. It is only a matter of time before the next naïve unfortunate gets into an identical mess. This was not an autograph-hunter getting into a nightmare scenario.
I have to stop short of saying she colluded because, statutorially, she has no "ability to decide" (brain) of her own. As much as I may appear to satirise that, I think it should not be changed. Their education is too important to bring that age any further forward.
If protecting other young girls is the top concern then can you not accept that some of us are merely exploring what things *she did* which others can avoid emulating?
It may strongly resemble victim-blaming but, if you clamp down on all discussion, using that as a blunt tool then there is no opportunity that they might learn anything. It is only a matter of time before the next naïve unfortunate gets into an identical mess. This was not an autograph-hunter getting into a nightmare scenario.
I have to stop short of saying she colluded because, statutorially, she has no "ability to decide" (brain) of her own. As much as I may appear to satirise that, I think it should not be changed. Their education is too important to bring that age any further forward.
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Divebuddy - oh heavens don't go there . Giving kids a good hard lecture on how they conduct themselves and making sure you know where they are and what they are doing (as much as you can) is tant amount to child cruelty to some on here. A 15 year old is NOT a child and the parents have to take some responsibility. the fact they went public says it all for me. Johnson should have just 'said no' there is no debate to the contrary - but it was not rape and I suspect the 'devastation' the girl endured was that of being well and truly shown up on social media
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//This was not an autograph-hunter getting into a nightmare scenario. //
Having read the Mirror piece, I see that neither was this someone selling sexual favours for the price of a signature.
No, someone was so full of themselves that, instead of providing a signature as a gift (repeat, gift) to a loyal fan, he felt it was "worth" something in return for it and pushed for something he *knew* was illegal.
It mystifies me why she wasn't shocked, taken aback, using words like "no" or running to the police. Yes he's guilty but there is a shade of grey here and I still can't look at this as a binary situation. No mitigation though: it's the grooming which is the sickening part. Money and fame are clearly enablers in that regard and he used them. She would not have fallen for identical trickery if it was some nobody offering an identical signed shirt.
@AOG (OP)
No, I do not think the coverage is overblown. I wish I'd read the Mirror's version before this thread but theirs and DM's are opposite poles, in terms of who they choose to traduce. You need to read both to reach a balanced view.
Having read the Mirror piece, I see that neither was this someone selling sexual favours for the price of a signature.
No, someone was so full of themselves that, instead of providing a signature as a gift (repeat, gift) to a loyal fan, he felt it was "worth" something in return for it and pushed for something he *knew* was illegal.
It mystifies me why she wasn't shocked, taken aback, using words like "no" or running to the police. Yes he's guilty but there is a shade of grey here and I still can't look at this as a binary situation. No mitigation though: it's the grooming which is the sickening part. Money and fame are clearly enablers in that regard and he used them. She would not have fallen for identical trickery if it was some nobody offering an identical signed shirt.
@AOG (OP)
No, I do not think the coverage is overblown. I wish I'd read the Mirror's version before this thread but theirs and DM's are opposite poles, in terms of who they choose to traduce. You need to read both to reach a balanced view.
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A Hughes
/// I continue to be flabbergasted at the amount of effort that is being put into defending this creature by default - by attacking his victim. ///
/// It says much for the posters involved that they are unwilling to accept that adult responsibility was abandoned by a man well old enough to know better, and wheedle around looking for ever more reasons to blame his victim who was not old enough ///
What a load of sensationalistic twaddle, who is "defending this creature" certainly not Katie Hopkins, who wrote:
*** And as much as Adam Johnson is a pillock driven by his penis (of which he has pictures on his phone, in case he needs a pick-me-up)…
… and as much as young girls getting felt-up in cars is distasteful… ***
Or any other ABers for that matter, this is all about this case being blown all out of proportion, by the baying mobs.
Paedophile!!!!!, Child!!!!!, Send him to jail and throw away the key indeed!!!!!!.
/// I continue to be flabbergasted at the amount of effort that is being put into defending this creature by default - by attacking his victim. ///
/// It says much for the posters involved that they are unwilling to accept that adult responsibility was abandoned by a man well old enough to know better, and wheedle around looking for ever more reasons to blame his victim who was not old enough ///
What a load of sensationalistic twaddle, who is "defending this creature" certainly not Katie Hopkins, who wrote:
*** And as much as Adam Johnson is a pillock driven by his penis (of which he has pictures on his phone, in case he needs a pick-me-up)…
… and as much as young girls getting felt-up in cars is distasteful… ***
Or any other ABers for that matter, this is all about this case being blown all out of proportion, by the baying mobs.
Paedophile!!!!!, Child!!!!!, Send him to jail and throw away the key indeed!!!!!!.
@divebuddy
//Balanced view !!! Steady on.//
:o)
I know. If a newspaper was totally balanced it would annoy both sides of every debate, no-one would know where it stood on issues, so not many would buy it.
I'd say "I like balance in all things" but, unfortunately it just makes me sound like a hippy. (a bit before my time, actually)
//Balanced view !!! Steady on.//
:o)
I know. If a newspaper was totally balanced it would annoy both sides of every debate, no-one would know where it stood on issues, so not many would buy it.
I'd say "I like balance in all things" but, unfortunately it just makes me sound like a hippy. (a bit before my time, actually)
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