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Should The Referendum Be Postponed Until We Know If Turkey Are To Admitted?
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This is vital information for many, surely we need to know if 77m captain Kirks will be joining, not to mention the problems with migrants it will introduce.
This is vital information for many, surely we need to know if 77m captain Kirks will be joining, not to mention the problems with migrants it will introduce.
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As the EU leaders seem intent in asking almost any country to join the EU you need to assume that Turkey WILL join at some point.
So that would be another many millions of Muslims who would have the right to come to the UK.
Note that the reason the EU bosses want so many Eastern European countries to join the EU is to get them friendly to Europe rather than Russia.
It is all to do with politics and nothing to do with what benefits us, or any of the other countries already in the EU.
The EU is becoming (or already is) a huge unmanageable mess.
So that would be another many millions of Muslims who would have the right to come to the UK.
Note that the reason the EU bosses want so many Eastern European countries to join the EU is to get them friendly to Europe rather than Russia.
It is all to do with politics and nothing to do with what benefits us, or any of the other countries already in the EU.
The EU is becoming (or already is) a huge unmanageable mess.
Turks do not want to come to the UK, they want to go to Germany.
Germany has 3 million people having at least one parent immigrated from Turkey. In 2013, there were 1,550,000 Turkish citizens in Germany which accounted for 22.1% of Germany's foreign population and thus the largest ethnic minority.
We have about 300K mainly Cypriots who have been here decades
Germany has 3 million people having at least one parent immigrated from Turkey. In 2013, there were 1,550,000 Turkish citizens in Germany which accounted for 22.1% of Germany's foreign population and thus the largest ethnic minority.
We have about 300K mainly Cypriots who have been here decades
Turks must have short memories if they can't remember the "Gaustarbeiter" years. After they fulfilled the Labour requirements to build a new Germany after the war years they didn't want to go home but insisted their families join them in Germany.
That was when they were burnt out of their hostels.Still no great love lost for the Turks in Germany methinks. In the quote below from Wikipedia you can see that those Turks in Germany now want it to be an Islamic country with more Moslems than Christians.
See also: Neo-Nazism
//For Turks in German society, patterns of discrimination maintain disadvantages of low economic and social status, whilst also restraining social advancement.[50] The number of violent acts by right-wing extremists in Germany increased dramatically between 1990 and 1992.[51] On November 25, 1992, three Turkish residents were killed in a firebombing in Mölln (Western Germany).[52] The attack prompted even further perplexity since the victims were neither refugees nor lived in a hostel.[53] Author Greg Nees, writing in 2000, stated that "Because Turks are both darker-skinned and Muslim, conservative Germans are largely against granting them citizenship."[54]
Integration problems[edit]
In recent years, some in the Turkish minority have shown cultural problems in integrating into German society.[55] A recent non-governmental telephone survey, carried out jointly by Liljeberg and the Berlin-based INFO polling company sampled 1011 Turkish migrants living in Germany. It showed 72% of the Turks surveyed in Germany believe that Islam is the only true religion, 62% prefer social contacts only to fellow Turks, 46% wish that one day more Muslims live in Germany than Christians, 25% think atheists are inferior human beings and 18% felt that Jews are inferior people.[56][//
That was when they were burnt out of their hostels.Still no great love lost for the Turks in Germany methinks. In the quote below from Wikipedia you can see that those Turks in Germany now want it to be an Islamic country with more Moslems than Christians.
See also: Neo-Nazism
//For Turks in German society, patterns of discrimination maintain disadvantages of low economic and social status, whilst also restraining social advancement.[50] The number of violent acts by right-wing extremists in Germany increased dramatically between 1990 and 1992.[51] On November 25, 1992, three Turkish residents were killed in a firebombing in Mölln (Western Germany).[52] The attack prompted even further perplexity since the victims were neither refugees nor lived in a hostel.[53] Author Greg Nees, writing in 2000, stated that "Because Turks are both darker-skinned and Muslim, conservative Germans are largely against granting them citizenship."[54]
Integration problems[edit]
In recent years, some in the Turkish minority have shown cultural problems in integrating into German society.[55] A recent non-governmental telephone survey, carried out jointly by Liljeberg and the Berlin-based INFO polling company sampled 1011 Turkish migrants living in Germany. It showed 72% of the Turks surveyed in Germany believe that Islam is the only true religion, 62% prefer social contacts only to fellow Turks, 46% wish that one day more Muslims live in Germany than Christians, 25% think atheists are inferior human beings and 18% felt that Jews are inferior people.[56][//
The prospect of Albania joining (they are on the 'waiting list') worries me far more than Turkey.
Albania has the highest rate of organised crime in the world, the 'Mafia' runs everything from the highest levels of government to individual businesses
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Albania has the highest rate of organised crime in the world, the 'Mafia' runs everything from the highest levels of government to individual businesses
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1. They are not in Europe.
- Some of it is, and besides, geography is not a criteria.
2 They are not a democracy
- Yes they are. They have had fair and free elections for decades.
3. It is a Muslim country.
- No denying that. But the EU is secular. Religion is not a bar.
4 The EU would have Iran, Iraq and Syria on its borders.
- It would. But the EU has Russia on its border which is 10 times worse.
- Some of it is, and besides, geography is not a criteria.
2 They are not a democracy
- Yes they are. They have had fair and free elections for decades.
3. It is a Muslim country.
- No denying that. But the EU is secular. Religion is not a bar.
4 The EU would have Iran, Iraq and Syria on its borders.
- It would. But the EU has Russia on its border which is 10 times worse.
Gromit; //
1. They are not in Europe.
- Some of it is, and besides, geography is not a criteria.//
Non of it is, Europe ends at the Bospherus.
//2 They are not a democracy
- Yes they are. They have had fair and free elections for decades.//
In the last election all media was stifled by Erdogan and last week he took complete editoria control of the main newspaper.
3 You agree.
//4 The EU would have Iran, Iraq and Syria on its borders.
- It would. But the EU has Russia on its border which is 10 times worse.//
Russia has strong historical links with Europe (not only with our own royal family) and can be considered to be a close neighbour, partially in Europe, and ally in WWII. Whereas Turkey has been the scourge of Europe for centuries.
Whether or not your personal belief is that they are "10 times worse" is up to you, I don't agree with that at all, but that is another subject But what is clear, is that you need to brush up on your geography and your history.
1. They are not in Europe.
- Some of it is, and besides, geography is not a criteria.//
Non of it is, Europe ends at the Bospherus.
//2 They are not a democracy
- Yes they are. They have had fair and free elections for decades.//
In the last election all media was stifled by Erdogan and last week he took complete editoria control of the main newspaper.
3 You agree.
//4 The EU would have Iran, Iraq and Syria on its borders.
- It would. But the EU has Russia on its border which is 10 times worse.//
Russia has strong historical links with Europe (not only with our own royal family) and can be considered to be a close neighbour, partially in Europe, and ally in WWII. Whereas Turkey has been the scourge of Europe for centuries.
Whether or not your personal belief is that they are "10 times worse" is up to you, I don't agree with that at all, but that is another subject But what is clear, is that you need to brush up on your geography and your history.
Khandro, //Non of it is, Europe ends at the Bospherus. //
Part of Turkey is in Europe.
//Straddling the continents of Europe and Asia, Turkey tries to be a bridge between West and East. The portion of Turkey's land in Europe may be small (about 5 percent), but the country's largest city, Istanbul, is there.//
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The last time I was in Istanbul, the city was divided by the Bospherus - one side in Europe, the other in Asia. I believe it still is.
Part of Turkey is in Europe.
//Straddling the continents of Europe and Asia, Turkey tries to be a bridge between West and East. The portion of Turkey's land in Europe may be small (about 5 percent), but the country's largest city, Istanbul, is there.//
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The last time I was in Istanbul, the city was divided by the Bospherus - one side in Europe, the other in Asia. I believe it still is.
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