Junior Doctors To Walk Out Of Accident And Emergency

[mushroom25]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35884239

if this results in deaths, who will have blood on their hands - the doctors for walking away, or Jeremy Hunt for causing the dispute?

[retrocop]

It won't help their case if deaths occur as a result of the junior doctors walking out and it is proved the case.

[ToraToraTora]

the doctors, Hippocrates, dear boy.

[Islay]

the doctors

[agchristie]

Whose decision is it to call strikes?

Doctors it is.

[237SJ]

Neither. The system. Junior doctors don`t actually earn that much.

[Mamyalynne]

People will die during the hours of the walk out, as they do every day - if a particular death can be proven to have happened directly because of the walk out then yes the doctors.

[Sqad]

I agree with Divebuddy, the junior Doctors are ..JUNIOR ...and in TRAINING ..and are paid quite well compared to Junior doctors in other countries..e.g Spain.

Look at the TV and the majority of agitators are.........women doctors and yes, i am suggesting that this is a cause for concern in the NHS.

[douglas9401]

You're not suggesting we wait a week and ask the questions again are you Sqad?

[Sqad]

douglas LOL

[237SJ]

According to the link, junior doctors can be classed as junior for 10 years. Considering how much studying and training they have to do, I think they are underpaid. That link says that after 10 years they can be on 30 grand. You can earn more than that managing Aldi.

[scowie]

Who is responsible for the terrorist attacks in Brussels? The terrorists or all of us westerners for upsetting these people and making them feel that "they had no choice but to act". Seems to me these militant junior doctors have borrowed their reasoning from terrorists.

[Sqad]

If a doctor is still a junior after 10 years then he deserves to work for ALDI.

[237SJ]

Sorry. I got it wrong about the 10 years service but still, with overtime etc I don`t think £30000 per year is a very high salary for a skilled job.

[New Judge]

“I agree with Divebuddy, the junior Doctors are ..JUNIOR ...and in TRAINING…”

Whilst it’s technically correct to say they are in training, it is a little misleading. In the UK the term “junior doctor” applies to all doctors below consultant level. Their period in postgraduate training may last up to 15 years but some doctors remain “junior” for their entire career.

That said, the root cause of his situation is the notion that has been allowed to creep into the health business that it is a 9-5 five day week affair. The Blair government started the process with the preposterous GP contracts they “negotiated” which allowed GPs to abrogate their responsibilities towards their patients for large parts of the week. “Junior” hospital doctors now have the idea that weekends are somehow special and should attract extra payments. Indeed the new contract which is proposed sets this out quite clearly:

“The terms include an average basic salary increase of 13.5 per cent. Doctors would receive time plus 30 per cent for any hours worked between 5pm-9pm on Saturday and 7am-9pm on Sunday, while those working at least one in four Saturdays would receive a pay premium of 30 per cent for all Saturday hours. Three quarters of doctors would receive a take home pay rise, the Health Secretary says.”

This is, apparently, not good enough. Apparently the biggest sticking point is that Saturday working between 7am and 7pm will attract no premium pay. Many people (including Aldi managers) work on Saturdays with no premium pay. There’s no reason why doctors should be any different. I’ve read all of this document:

http://www.nhsemployers.org/~/media/Employers/Documents/Need%20to%20know/JD%20A4%20booklet%20FINAL.pdf

In particular the table on page 6 demonstrates to me that the doctors are being treated more than fairly for providing what should be expected to be a 24/7/365 service. The “Banding” arrangements provided in db’s link are one of the main reasons a new contract is deemed necessary (full reasons are explained in the document in my link).

As with all strikes, the responsibility for any damage caused rests with the strikers.

[Baldric]

Without a show of doubt, The Doctors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath#Modern_version

[Baldric]

Shadow not show,^^^^^Doh!

[ChillDoubt]

The Government. Year on year they prey on the ethics and sensibilities of nurses and doctors, giving them paltry wage rises (1% for the last 3 years) whilst awarding the Police and Armed Forces higher rates, not to mention inflation busting ones for the selves.
They have finally forced those responsible for looking after our lives and wellbeing into the most soul-searched and horrific decision imaginable, to defer care of patients in order to ensure the NHS remains the envy of the Western world that we know it to be.

I for one am fed up of hearing that we are all in this together, have to remain austere and balance our books whlist giving money away year on year to failing economies in the EU that we will never see returned. Money given away by bureaucrats who have no sense of what goes on in the real world. Someone tried getting hold of Mr Hunt on a weekend but apparently he doesn't work them. Lucky bloke.

I don't do Twitter myself but take a look at #iminworkjeremy
It's most enlightening.