Anders Behring Breivik, Norway Murderer, Wins Human Rights Case

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575

I have read this twice and I still can't believe it !

[andy-hughes]

Punishment by 'law' even ...

[Hopkirk]

My answer was tongue in cheek, though I have no sympathy for this creature

[andy-hughes]

Hopkirk - //My answer was tongue in cheek, though I have no sympathy for this creature //

Fair enough - it's not easy to tell in print!

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, this is why many people want to see the return of capital punishment. Whilst considering the 'rights' of the perpetrator 'civilised societies' neglect to consider the rights of future victims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16638227

[ChillDoubt]

Andy,
Shall we stop referring to it as 'state-sponsored murder' and instead use something like offender incurred euthanasia? Sounds more fitting in the circumstances don't you think?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, this is why many people want to see the return of capital punishment. Whilst considering the 'rights' of the perpetrator 'civilised societies' neglect to consider the rights of future victims. //

The argument appears to be valid - but I believe it is not.

You cannot punish people for something they may or may not do in the future, that is not only impractical, it is not morally defensible.

The other aspect of the statistics tends to hoist it b y its own petard - it advises that most murders are committed by people known to the victims - you can't legislate for such situations.

[RATTER15]

There is no suffering in death, keep them alive as long as possible, at least they then suffer.

I believe it is also cheaper to keep them in prison than to go through all the appeals of prisoners on death row etc.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - //Andy,
Shall we stop referring to it as 'state-sponsored murder' and instead use something like offender incurred euthanasia? Sounds more fitting in the circumstances don't you think? //

Calling state-sponsored murder 'offender incurred euthanasia' is in the same bracket as a 'fenestration hygiene operative' - a window cleaner is a window cleaner - trying to take the sense of out a description does not negate the sense that is there.

[ChillDoubt]

But they're not supposed to suffer RATTER, that's against their Human Rights, innit?!

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //You cannot punish people for something they may or may not do in the future//

That is not the suggestion. If we legislate definitively in the first instance, there wouldn’t be a second.

// most murders are committed by people known to the victims//

I don’t see the relevance of that comment.

[ChillDoubt]

Calling state-sponsored murder 'offender incurred euthanasia' is in the same bracket as a 'fenestration hygiene operative' - a window cleaner is a window cleaner - trying to take the sense of out a description does not negate the sense that is there.
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But you can call it state sponsored murder for your own ends? Glad that's clear then!!
Why not stop the semantics and stick to Capital Punishment, the general term?

[RATTER15]

Chilldout, "But they're not supposed to suffer RATTER, that's against their Human Rights, innit?!"

No it isnt, of course they suffer by being detained!they just aren't allowed to add extra punishments on the top!

[ChillDoubt]

I wouldn't say they suffer, RATTER. Endure maybe, but not suffer.

[naomi24]

Ratter, //keep them alive as long as possible, at least they then suffer.//

I wouldn't seek retribution. I'd opt for a short, sharp injection. Problem solved.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I think they should put him on normal location - with his attitude I`d give him 2 days before another prisoner knifes him.

[ToraToraTora]

Most would forego CP if life meant life and the jail wasn't like Butlins.

[ummmm]

Prisons are not like Butlins. I don't know why people think that.

[ToraToraTora]

have you seen the picture in the link ummmm, looks like a premier inn to me with en suite Bathroom.

[ummmm]

But it's said about prisons here and it's simply not true.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - I always remember Ronnie Kray talking about life in prison and he said that the worse thing was the noise - there was never ever silence, and that really got to him.

Add in the absence of privacy, personal freedom, and something we all take completely for granted, and that is the ability to walk out of the door and down the street, and prison starts to look a lot less like a 'holiday camp' and more like what it is supposed to be - and is - a place of incarceration and punishment.