Did The Police Need To Apologise?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3582287/Suicide-bomber-blows-Britain-s-second-biggest-shopping-mall-chilling-night-anti-terror-training-exercise-featuring-thousands-volunteers-playing-victims.html

/// Manchester University Diversity Officer Ilyas Nagdee posted: 'Stupid decision by @gmpolice to decide attackers should be seen as Muslim. Maybe that's why Islamophobias gone up 300% in the UK.' ///

Pleased to note however that they took the health and safety of the victims very seriously, noticing the eye protection glasses.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //You wouldn't know.After your assertion that the UK are the largest owners/users of mobile phones in the world I would take anything you say with a large pinch of sodium chlorate.
Clearly easily proved untrue and you have the nerve to mention common sense and reason!! //

My apologies - my assertion with regard to the ownership of mobile phones was based on the ownership per member of the population - it is the proportion of adults that own a mobile phone measured against the population as a whole that is, I understand, the largest.

Happy to correct my error.

Experience tells me that you have taken any and all of my views with the proverbial 'large pinch of sodium chlorate' since way before my slightly misleading mobile phone observation - surely that merely added to your previous perception of me as someone whose views are of little / no consequence?

[andy-hughes]

Oh, and speaking of errors, do you not mean a large pinch of sodium chloride - which is common salt?

Sodium chlorate is actually weed killer.

But hey - we all make mistakes, doesn't make us bad people does it?

[retrocop]

Whatever fits. :-)

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //You just can't please these people can you.Moan,moan moan that not enough ethnics are nominated at the Oscars,Baftas etc and as soon as one is given a starring role to go out with a bang we get more moans from a 'diversity officer' //

The stretch between professional acknowledgement of professional actors by their peers and a walk-on part in a safety exercise is a sretch I am not sure even you can manage successfully!

And referring to people as 'ethnics' is offensive.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //Whatever fits. :-) //

No, that's for you to confirm - it's your error!

If you were a little less keen to denigrate other posters because of your personal animosity, you would be less prone to be hoist by your own petard.

[Svejk]

Aog. The Ed, sort of, explained why he removed your thread. On my 'quiet on AB' thread.

[Baldric]

///An approach of "I didn't mean to upset you, and may have done so unwittingly, but if I did, then I am sorry ..." seems to offer the sort of British approach to getting along with people that is a wonderful example to
***a culture which maybe does not operate that way at the moment, but may in time see the advantages, and come to do the same***.///

A nice piece of wishful thinking, but don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime tbh.

[Hypognosis]

Thanks, Svejk

It was fragged just seconds after I posted to it, so I thought it was me! Didn't even get a chance to correct my spelling error, it was that quick.

[anotheoldgit]

woofgang

/// "If you heard that there was a terrorist attack taking place, who would you immediately think was responsible? “ ///

/// errrmmmmm terrorists? ///

Blimey, education is a wonderful thing.

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - /////An approach of "I didn't mean to upset you, and may have done so unwittingly, but if I did, then I am sorry ..." seems to offer the sort of British approach to getting along with people that is a wonderful example to
***a culture which maybe does not operate that way at the moment, but may in time see the advantages, and come to do the same***.///

A nice piece of wishful thinking, but don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime tbh. //

Nor mine - but the longest journeys do start with the smallest steps.

If we don't try, nothing is ever going to change.

[Hypognosis]

@andy-hughes

//An approach of "I didn't mean to upset you, and may have done so unwittingly, but if I did, then I am sorry ..." //


I have seen even this castigated, for being a *conditional* apology
IF...THEN...ELSE

minus the ELSE, of course.

Preferred is "I see that I upset you and, for that, I am sorry".

i) Acknowledge that a transgression occurred
ii) Apologise for it, if so inclined.

The Japanese erected a statue to the laboratory rat, by way of an apology for years of vivisection (biochemistry is mostly about fresh rat liver put through a blender).

Unfortunate chronology of the statue, relative to apologies for war crimes, comfort women, etc.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, for things to change to the benefit of all, all involved must make a concerted effort to achieve that. Of course, things can also change if one party capitulates – but that would be only benefit the victor.

[retrocop]

Seems like a lot of you have lost the direction of why this exercise was carried out in Manchester and other cities in the UK.It is because our alert status is so high. Rather than worry about your PC concerns perhaps,God forbid, you should consider these drills are rehearsed to save the likes of you. Looks like some of you really are not worthy of brave men and women risking their lives for your benefit. Pathetic.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //Looks like some of you really are not worthy of brave men and women risking their lives for your benefit. Pathetic. //

Would it be an assumption to reason that you number yourself as 'worthy of brave men and women risking their lives ...'

and maybe some of us less so?

How stratospherically pompous of you - and you that has such an aversion to such an approach on this site!

[Mamyalynne]

These exercises always have been and always will be essential in all the services - this blip shouldn't alter the need or importance for them.

The apology is made and things move on - or should do.

[viv41]

andy - you call retro 'pompous' - really ?!

[andy-hughes]

viv41 - //andy - you call retro 'pompous' - really ?! //

Really!

It is an epithet he has levelled at me on occasions without number, and if he is willing to dish it out, then I am sure he is willing to receive it.

If - as on this occasion - retrocop wants to huff and puff about the 'unworthiness' of other AB'ers to be saved from terrorism while simultaneously clearly inferring that he is not in that group himself, then that is a definition of pomposity, and I am calling him out for it.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

[andy-hughes]

Fill your boots piper - it matters not.

[viv41]

Same here Pied .......