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What Is 'rubbing Our Noses In Diversity'?
And why would someone say it with a fellow (black) Leave supporter sitting next to him?
Furthermore, if said person is going to accuse someone of this, should he not do his homework and first make sure he's accusing the correct person?
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Farage showing his true colours?
Not racist colours...the colours of stupidity and bad manners?
By the way - ten second in...Dreda Say Mitchell's look of horror is meme-worthy!
Furthermore, if said person is going to accuse someone of this, should he not do his homework and first make sure he's accusing the correct person?
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Farage showing his true colours?
Not racist colours...the colours of stupidity and bad manners?
By the way - ten second in...Dreda Say Mitchell's look of horror is meme-worthy!
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I never rated Diversity. Susan Boyle should have won that year.
11:34 Wed 18th May 2016
naomi24
But you introduced religion into this thread by mention of the Bible.
Leaving the Bible out of it - why do you think women should be excluded from ministerial positions in the 21st century?
Specifically, what is it that you can't do that a man can?
Surely it can't just be because of what a group of men wrote in what was a far more parochial society thousands of years ago?
But you introduced religion into this thread by mention of the Bible.
Leaving the Bible out of it - why do you think women should be excluded from ministerial positions in the 21st century?
Specifically, what is it that you can't do that a man can?
Surely it can't just be because of what a group of men wrote in what was a far more parochial society thousands of years ago?
Sp, He wasn’t saying it’s a bad thing – he was saying we’re having our noses rubbed in it – and we are. Diversity means recognising individual differences – something his co-panellists clearly weren’t willing to do. They were immediately on the warpath. (And that’s probably politically incorrect, but there you are).
Most do not “bemoan” diversity SP, they bemoan having it thrust at them all the time. Mostg are already diverse. We do not need reminding how to think, we do not need diversity initiatives and diversity councils and diversity in the work place. Diversity is already in most, it does not need mentioning. Does it not occur to you that NF disregarded the fact that woman was black simply because it did not matter to him or even register? Isn’t that the ultimate aim, indifference to difference?
Diversity is a good thing in small amounts. It leads to new experiences and variety and possible adoption of best practice.
But if it comes too quickly and/or in excess it can lead to discomfort, a feeling that one has no anchor as to the way things should be in which one can feel unanxious and at ease with the world.
For some who can't cope it will eventually lead to confrontation and problems.
As with everything, moderation is good.
But if it comes too quickly and/or in excess it can lead to discomfort, a feeling that one has no anchor as to the way things should be in which one can feel unanxious and at ease with the world.
For some who can't cope it will eventually lead to confrontation and problems.
As with everything, moderation is good.
It is enforced diversity that leave a very sour taste in one's mouth.
There are some who do not know the difference between diversity and equality.
It is perfectly right for persons to be treated equally regardless of colour or creed, that is equality.
But when in the name of diversity, persons of colour etc, are place in certain positions solely because they are not enough representation of them, then it is that which is wrong.
There are some who do not know the difference between diversity and equality.
It is perfectly right for persons to be treated equally regardless of colour or creed, that is equality.
But when in the name of diversity, persons of colour etc, are place in certain positions solely because they are not enough representation of them, then it is that which is wrong.
naomi24
/// AOG, please do the discussion a favour and move on. We don't want it to descend into yet another batch of hissy fits. It's going very nicely at the moment. ///
I apologise if you think I am trying to move you from centre stage, but that was not my intention. I must remember in future not to try and fight your corner.
/// AOG, please do the discussion a favour and move on. We don't want it to descend into yet another batch of hissy fits. It's going very nicely at the moment. ///
I apologise if you think I am trying to move you from centre stage, but that was not my intention. I must remember in future not to try and fight your corner.
As I mentioned before - I don't think that diversity in itself is a bad thing. Imagine an environment (working or social) where everyone shared the same political outlook, or where everyone was working class, or everyone was male, or everyone was female or everyone had a white collar job...
To me, that would be unimaginably dull.
To me, that would be unimaginably dull.
AOG, //I apologise if you think I am trying to move you from centre stage//
What a strange mind you have. In order to avoid yet another spate of petulance such as we see regularly these days, I've simply asked you to move on rather than resurrect an unimportant moment - something I think we'd all be grateful for.
What a strange mind you have. In order to avoid yet another spate of petulance such as we see regularly these days, I've simply asked you to move on rather than resurrect an unimportant moment - something I think we'd all be grateful for.
SP, In practically any other situation Nigel Farage could have said what he said with no consequence, but because he said it when a black woman was present, he’s castigated by all and sundry. As you say, a lack of diversity could be dull, but those championing diversity on this occasion failed to recognise their own failings in that area. It's par for the course really.
AOG
You wrote:
It is perfectly right for persons to be treated equally regardless of colour or creed, that is equality.
But when in the name of diversity, persons of colour etc, are place in certain positions solely because they are not enough representation of them, then it is that which is wrong.
That's perfectly reasonable...but as we discussed earlier this year - there are situations where employers will not hire someone based on their race, and you surmised that this may be because at some later date, that employee may claim racial discrimination for some unspecified reason.
If companies should be discouraged from hiring based on race, then there really isn't an excuse *not* to hire based on race.
You wrote:
It is perfectly right for persons to be treated equally regardless of colour or creed, that is equality.
But when in the name of diversity, persons of colour etc, are place in certain positions solely because they are not enough representation of them, then it is that which is wrong.
That's perfectly reasonable...but as we discussed earlier this year - there are situations where employers will not hire someone based on their race, and you surmised that this may be because at some later date, that employee may claim racial discrimination for some unspecified reason.
If companies should be discouraged from hiring based on race, then there really isn't an excuse *not* to hire based on race.
sp1814
/// If companies should be discouraged from hiring based on race, then there really isn't an excuse *not* to hire based on race. ///
Although it is not only wrong but in certain cases it is also unlawful for companies not to employ certain people.
But the true fact is that for whatever reason a company sees that it would not be beneficial to the company to employ a certain person, then they will not employ that person.
/// If companies should be discouraged from hiring based on race, then there really isn't an excuse *not* to hire based on race. ///
Although it is not only wrong but in certain cases it is also unlawful for companies not to employ certain people.
But the true fact is that for whatever reason a company sees that it would not be beneficial to the company to employ a certain person, then they will not employ that person.
“Out of interest (and this is directed to those who bemoan 'diversity') - specifically, what forms of diversity upsets you?”
“The wrong message is that diversity is a bad thing.”
I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick, sp. There’s nothing “wrong” with diversity. It’s not something that anyone has any control over and of course, as far as evolution goes, it’s positively a benefit. It’s rather like asking “What’s wrong with the oceans?” Answer; nothing. Some people like the sea, others hate it. What I think many people despise (me included) is being told we must “celebrate and embrace” diversity. It’s nothing to be celebrated or embraced. Like the oceans, it’s just there.
Whether they like it or not people around the world find themselves having to mix with people of different races and cultures – people that are different in all sorts of ways. Some people like it, some don’t. But an entire industry has grown up around telling them to “celebrate and embrace” something they have no control over. It’s telling people what they must think and unsurprisingly, whether they enjoy diversity or not, they don’t like being told what they must think.
Mr Neather (I think that’s the name of the cove that mentioned “rubbing people’s noses” in diversity) clearly had this in mind when he made his remark. What he celebrated was not diversity itself but the fact that the government of the day had seen fit to invite all manners of racially diverse people to the UK to dilute the seemingly predominant white Anglo-Saxon majority. He knew quite well that there was a sizeable number of people who did not like that strategy and instead of addressing their concerns (and perhaps allaying their fears) he sought to “rub their noses” in it. Those lauding diversity should realise we don’t all like the same thing. But that seems to be one aspect of diversity that isn’t acceptable.
“The wrong message is that diversity is a bad thing.”
I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick, sp. There’s nothing “wrong” with diversity. It’s not something that anyone has any control over and of course, as far as evolution goes, it’s positively a benefit. It’s rather like asking “What’s wrong with the oceans?” Answer; nothing. Some people like the sea, others hate it. What I think many people despise (me included) is being told we must “celebrate and embrace” diversity. It’s nothing to be celebrated or embraced. Like the oceans, it’s just there.
Whether they like it or not people around the world find themselves having to mix with people of different races and cultures – people that are different in all sorts of ways. Some people like it, some don’t. But an entire industry has grown up around telling them to “celebrate and embrace” something they have no control over. It’s telling people what they must think and unsurprisingly, whether they enjoy diversity or not, they don’t like being told what they must think.
Mr Neather (I think that’s the name of the cove that mentioned “rubbing people’s noses” in diversity) clearly had this in mind when he made his remark. What he celebrated was not diversity itself but the fact that the government of the day had seen fit to invite all manners of racially diverse people to the UK to dilute the seemingly predominant white Anglo-Saxon majority. He knew quite well that there was a sizeable number of people who did not like that strategy and instead of addressing their concerns (and perhaps allaying their fears) he sought to “rub their noses” in it. Those lauding diversity should realise we don’t all like the same thing. But that seems to be one aspect of diversity that isn’t acceptable.
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