Would You 'adam And Eve' It, Is This The End Of The Cockney?

[anotheoldgit]

/// ‘Fifteen years of mass immigration and white flight have brought Newham to its tipping point. It now has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.’ ///

/// According to the latest census, Newham’s white British population has dropped from 34 per cent to 17 per cent in just ten years. ///

Last Whites of the East End, BBC1 Tuesday 22.45

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czw5k

[Jackdaw33]

I'm sure this could be said of many cities, not just London. What were once the most desirable residential areas are no longer so. By the same token, what were once considered slum areas are now highly desirable.

[naomi24]

The ‘Bow Bells’ thing is nonsense. Cockeyism (I think I made that word up) is a culture that spans the whole of east London extending from Aldgate, which borders the City of London to East Ham (part of the borough of Newham) which borders Essex. There has always been an immigrant population, most notably Irish who worked in the building industry, Chinese who opened restaurants in Limehouse, and Jews who, among their other business enterprises, ran clothing companies in Stepney, now part of the borough of Tower Hamlets, and plied their trade in the world famous ‘Petticoat Lane’ market - all of whom lived and worked, in the main, peaceably side by side with the indigenous population.

However, with the increasing influx of other nationalities and cultures the area deteriorated; education, the availability of social housing, and other essential services suffered and for the indigenous population the area became increasingly unrecognisable. SP is quite right in saying that those who were able to move out to greener pastures did, many of them to Essex.

Jackdaw, //Where does the West End finish and the East End start?//

The City of London separates the East End from the West End.

[-Talbot-]

Would You 'adam And Eve' It, Is This The End Of The Cockney?


Are you bigging up some of the better issues of immigration here AOG?

[Mamyalynne]

You may have invented 'Cockeyism' Naomi, but the origins of Cockney as a term is interesting - not meant as a diversion I hasten to add.


http://www.britannica.com/topic/Cockney

[Jackdaw33]

Thanks for the explanation, Naomi. I do think you made the word 'cockeyism' up. Whatever could you mean?

[naomi24]

Mamyalynne/Jackdaw. Haaaaa! Oops! I really did make that one up!!! :o)

[david small]

Obviously aog is pointing out the consequences of permitting too many immigrants to settle here, and eventually take over our nation. But at least we weren't racists, ironic, eh?

[anotheoldgit]

10Clarion

Perhaps then sometime in the future we will then be able to kick them all out and claim back our independence once again, just as they have you understand?

[naomi24]

Fender, I'd say the majority are Asian.

[naomi24]

Fender, I've no idea.

[Hypognosis]

With all the traffic noise, you'd be lucky to hear Bow Bells, without the aid of the phone app!

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-06/25/bow-bells-cockney

naomi beat me to it but I'm still interested to know how the "end" part of East End/West End persisted so long. It makes sense for a ladder settlement with only one high street… which leads to Old Ford, at Bow (according to this map I'm cribbing from. Old Ford Road, Roman Road… all lines up with Oxford Street)

[david small]

Sounds good to me fender62 or are you being sarcastic?

[Hypognosis]

Ah, so that's why he's never on telly!

Re £2 prr month… Would it be in poor taste to drop some unused Oxfam envelopes at their favourite hangouts, or would that get us clapped in irons?

[naomi24]

Hypognosis, you're over-complicating the issue. It detracts from the question.