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Uk Becoming More Ethnically Segregated, Warns Mp
//Britain is becoming more ethnically segregated and people may seek "Donald Trump style" solutions if politicians do not act, an MP has warned.
Former Labour shadow minister Chuka Umunna blamed the widening "cracks in our communities" on a lack of action since race riots 15 years ago.
The Streatham MP also criticised the immigration debate for focusing "almost exclusively on numbers, with too little attention paid to how we integrate people once they settle here".//
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Former Labour shadow minister Chuka Umunna blamed the widening "cracks in our communities" on a lack of action since race riots 15 years ago.
The Streatham MP also criticised the immigration debate for focusing "almost exclusively on numbers, with too little attention paid to how we integrate people once they settle here".//
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agchristie....of course it is, and well done for saying so !
I have Hindu friends, Afro-Caribbean friends and now this Barber and I enjoy a good chat. When I was in BT, my regular Squash partner was a Sikh.
If we don't make the effort, then we will never know what we can achieve.
But as long as we have people who want to emigrate to the other side of the world, because some immigrants "smell of curry" than perhaps we will always have racial tension problems.
It takes two to Tango !
I have Hindu friends, Afro-Caribbean friends and now this Barber and I enjoy a good chat. When I was in BT, my regular Squash partner was a Sikh.
If we don't make the effort, then we will never know what we can achieve.
But as long as we have people who want to emigrate to the other side of the world, because some immigrants "smell of curry" than perhaps we will always have racial tension problems.
It takes two to Tango !
"I have Hindu friends, Afro-Caribbean friends and now this Barber and I enjoy a good chat. When I was in BT, my regular Squash partner was a Sikh.
If we don't make the effort, then we will never know what we can achieve."
Your friends, Berbers and playmates are not the issue, Mikey. I'd imagine these people are mainly educated professionals or merchants. These two groups don't usually have much problem integrating. The problems of integration are the large enclaves of minority groups, many of whose members are poorly educated, in places like Bradford and Dewsbury. These can be viewed as alternative societies. The Muslim populations of these two towns originate mainly in the sub-continent - Pakistan, Kashmir and Gujerat in particular. Many of them will attend mosques teaching the fundamentalist Deobandi version of Islam (across the whole country I think this is about a third of all mosques). Many of these mosques will have been built with Saudi money and will have foreign-born imams leading prayer. In some of these enclaves 10% or more (almost certainly mainly women) will speak no English at all. Arranged marriage will be common; 70% of Bradford Muslims , for instance, are married to first cousins. The spouses will often be recruited from the "old country", so the traditional attitudes of the alternative society do not become diluted by acclimatisation, but are constantly being reinforced.
Now the Chuka Ummuna comment:
"... with too little attention paid to how we integrate people once they settle here."
Well, I don't know what "we" can do unilaterally to mend the "cracks in our communities". It seems to me that there's a necessary "they" part, don't you?
If we don't make the effort, then we will never know what we can achieve."
Your friends, Berbers and playmates are not the issue, Mikey. I'd imagine these people are mainly educated professionals or merchants. These two groups don't usually have much problem integrating. The problems of integration are the large enclaves of minority groups, many of whose members are poorly educated, in places like Bradford and Dewsbury. These can be viewed as alternative societies. The Muslim populations of these two towns originate mainly in the sub-continent - Pakistan, Kashmir and Gujerat in particular. Many of them will attend mosques teaching the fundamentalist Deobandi version of Islam (across the whole country I think this is about a third of all mosques). Many of these mosques will have been built with Saudi money and will have foreign-born imams leading prayer. In some of these enclaves 10% or more (almost certainly mainly women) will speak no English at all. Arranged marriage will be common; 70% of Bradford Muslims , for instance, are married to first cousins. The spouses will often be recruited from the "old country", so the traditional attitudes of the alternative society do not become diluted by acclimatisation, but are constantly being reinforced.
Now the Chuka Ummuna comment:
"... with too little attention paid to how we integrate people once they settle here."
Well, I don't know what "we" can do unilaterally to mend the "cracks in our communities". It seems to me that there's a necessary "they" part, don't you?
Mikey at 14:27
\\But it takes both sides to become integrated. Much has been said on here about immigrants "not mixing", especially the new bete noire, the Muslims, but how about all of us making a greater effort ?//
Surely they should be the ones making a greater effort as they are the visitors to our country.
Dave.
\\But it takes both sides to become integrated. Much has been said on here about immigrants "not mixing", especially the new bete noire, the Muslims, but how about all of us making a greater effort ?//
Surely they should be the ones making a greater effort as they are the visitors to our country.
Dave.
work is needed here to assess the pace on integration of immigrant groups - in the States they are finding by the 3rd generation of Hispanics, it has taken place, most of the descendants speaking American as the first language, ( I hesitate to say English) and their Spanish very flakey if not at all....
Does this happen here....naturally 1st gen are going to be insular in terms of their language and religion/culture.....? Any learned demographers out there in ABland?
Does this happen here....naturally 1st gen are going to be insular in terms of their language and religion/culture.....? Any learned demographers out there in ABland?
//couldn't we start with the ones who speak English ?//
in order to integrate, people need to be able to communicate with each other. a lot of incomers (particularly the women) cannot speak english and at this time our authorities are compounding the problem by providing expensive "free at point of use" translation services - so incomers can conduct official business in their own language, giving them no incentive to learn the language they need to integrate with the resident population.
in order to integrate, people need to be able to communicate with each other. a lot of incomers (particularly the women) cannot speak english and at this time our authorities are compounding the problem by providing expensive "free at point of use" translation services - so incomers can conduct official business in their own language, giving them no incentive to learn the language they need to integrate with the resident population.
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