22 Life Sentences For This Savage.....but...

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36458472
..... still could be out in 23! How bad do they have to be before life means life?

[ummmm]

Unlikely though.

[pastafreak]

Very unlikely, I hope. He certainly will not be treated kindly by his fellow prisoners.

[cassa333]

Will he last that long in a Malasian prison though?

[Baldric]

He's not in a Malaysian Prison

///The NCA was able to use legislation which allows UK nationals to be prosecuted in the UK for offences that have been committed overseas.///

[andy-hughes]

He will be segregated for the duration of his sentence.

As I understand it -and NJ will advise from a better position of course - the minimum sentence is just that - a minimum, and he will be assessed after that time and judged on his perceived fitness to return to society - which is by no means assured - so it is entirely possible that he will die in prison.

[hc4361]

Thankfully the law has changed. A few years ago this monster could not have faced charges in a UK for the offences he committed in Malaysia.

[sandyRoe]

It's a pity they weren't consecutive.

[viv41]

When I heard on the radio that he'd got 22 life sentences, I thought oh good he'll never see the light of day again, seems I could be wrong!! Sentencing is truly weird .....

[agchristie]

I believe that there are currently over 60 prisoners serving whole life tariffs though there are many more serving life sentences, with a minimum recommendation of serving a lengthy period of time, meaning that many will die in jail.

Those serving whole life tariffs were guilty of varying degrees of offences so in answer to the OP each case's factors have to be assessed by the judiciary following relevant guidelines.

[Bigbad]

I see where you are coming from in your 13.48 post, andy-hughes, but when they come to assess him at the end of the minimum sentence, how can they tell if he is fit to return to society, I wonder?

He’s not around any children in prison, so how do they tell if he’s likely to head straight for the nearest playgroup upon release?

My guess would be once a paedo, always a paedo.
Filth like this shouldn’t be considered for release.

[andy-hughes]

Bigbad - // I see where you are coming from in your 13.48 post, andy-hughes, but when they come to assess him at the end of the minimum sentence, how can they tell if he is fit to return to society, I wonder?

He’s not around any children in prison, so how do they tell if he’s likely to head straight for the nearest playgroup upon release?

My guess would be once a paedo, always a paedo.
Filth like this shouldn’t be considered for release. //

I am sure we will find, when that day arrives, that he is not deemed fit for release - and may well be confined to s secure psychiatric facility for the rest of his life.

I do not think he will walk free again.

[Bigbad]

I certainly hope that is the case.
But paedos do get released, so I am still curious as to how they can be properly assessed.

[Peter Pedant]

// The NCA was able to use legislation which allows UK nationals to be prosecuted in the UK for offences that have been committed overseas.//

sexual offences act 2003 I think - upped all the sentences as a sign of neo-victorian prudery as well

being prosecuted for offences committed abroad was NOT popular as there obvious difficulties with summoning witnesses and anyway if you can do that what is the point of extradition ?

23 y strikes me as being a long time - twice as long as the average time served for murder

[ummmm]

Bigbad...Yes, they do get released but this man is being dubbed the worse paedophile in Britain and is suspected of abusing and raping 200 plus children.

Those types do not get out...

Like Andy, my guess is he will be sectioned at some point. Once he is that's that...no release date.

[marval]

No jail term is long enough for him, he should never be let free.

[EDDIE51]

A whole life tariff is rare there are currently 61 prisoners on 'Whole Life Tariffs in the UK. List here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_tariffs
The 23 years is the tariff for this criminal, but is does not mean he will be out in 23 years. (how many times do I have to post this?)
23 years is the minimum time before he can begin the process of applying for parole. It is VERY unlikely he will be granted leave to apply for parole at the first attempt. In any case it takes several years for even a first application to be heard. A more realistic date for leave to apply for parole would be 30 years , then a few more years after that if it is granted before release 'on licence'
Life really does mean life, a 'lifer' can never be freed only released 'on licence' The life sentence remains in place for the entire life of the offender, one mistake arrest or breach of the licence conditions can see the offender back in prison without another trial.

[shoota]

You don't HAVE to post anything ever again Eddie...

[EDDIE51]

andy-hughes, All prisoners are constantly assessed. The staff have to write a report on every prisoner at regular intervals, ranging from once a week to once every few months, depending on how much of a risk they are deemed to be.
This guy will be on the 'once a week list'. Just one poor report can be enough to stop the chance of an application to apply for parole.
As an aside, 23 years is the maximum tariff it is possible to give other than 'whole life'. So this guy has the longest sentence it is possible to get in the circumstances. Whole life has never been given to any other than multi murderers , Ian Brady is possibly the most well known prisoner with a whole life tariff.

[EDDIE51]

shoota, I guarantee the next time someone is sentenced to life for a 'nasty' crime and there is anything other than a whole life tariff imposed there will be impassioned pleas on AB for 'life to mean life' . Do people have such short memories?