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Still all to play for it would seem ::::
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“Perhaps the best that could be hoped for is an extremely narrow margin for out say 1/2% meaning Cameron has ammo to go back and get a reformed EU,…”
No no no, youngmaf. If such a result prevails then that’s that. The PM’s next job will be to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, paving the way for our exit. There is not an option on the ballot form for renegotiation. It is “Remain” or “Leave”. There is no “We’ll leave if you don’t shape up the way we want”.
Mr Cameron tried a renegotiation with the threat of a referendum. He failed. The (very) minor changes that have been agreed are by no means set in stone and will in all probability be ditched on June 24th should we vote to stay. Similarly any renegotiation that might take place as you describe will be temporary and any changes will be reversed by stealth. That’s how the EU does things. It cannot be trusted. It has one aim – a federal European State and it will not change that aim or the strategy needed to achieve it. If we vote out, out we must go, unconditionally. Or I’ll want my money back :-)
I'm also puzzled by the polls, Mikey. I have a wide circle of relatives, friends and acquaintences. They cover many races and most political persuasions (they are not all rabid right-wingers like me). But around 80% to 90% of them are confirmed Brexiteers. Apart from the 400-odd MPs who are in favour of remaining (and your good self, of course) just who are the people who are making the polls predict a remain vote?
No no no, youngmaf. If such a result prevails then that’s that. The PM’s next job will be to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, paving the way for our exit. There is not an option on the ballot form for renegotiation. It is “Remain” or “Leave”. There is no “We’ll leave if you don’t shape up the way we want”.
Mr Cameron tried a renegotiation with the threat of a referendum. He failed. The (very) minor changes that have been agreed are by no means set in stone and will in all probability be ditched on June 24th should we vote to stay. Similarly any renegotiation that might take place as you describe will be temporary and any changes will be reversed by stealth. That’s how the EU does things. It cannot be trusted. It has one aim – a federal European State and it will not change that aim or the strategy needed to achieve it. If we vote out, out we must go, unconditionally. Or I’ll want my money back :-)
I'm also puzzled by the polls, Mikey. I have a wide circle of relatives, friends and acquaintences. They cover many races and most political persuasions (they are not all rabid right-wingers like me). But around 80% to 90% of them are confirmed Brexiteers. Apart from the 400-odd MPs who are in favour of remaining (and your good self, of course) just who are the people who are making the polls predict a remain vote?
NJ....I don't know. I haven't been Polled, nor have I Polled anyone else.
The word in my industry, is that a lot of telephone Polls are being done, as they are much cheaper to do. Its very difficult to maintain a good quota using telephones, but the word is that the cost outweighs the disadvantages.
Not a view I agree with though.
The word in my industry, is that a lot of telephone Polls are being done, as they are much cheaper to do. Its very difficult to maintain a good quota using telephones, but the word is that the cost outweighs the disadvantages.
Not a view I agree with though.
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