French Prosecutor: 'russian Hooligans Came Ready For Violence'

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36519876

Trained apparently but by whom and for why ?

Wasn't this all too predictable ?

[ummmm]

Heard it on the news this morning. They said they traveled just for fighting.

English fans have always had a bad press when other countries are just as bad if not worse.

[youngmafbog]

Without doubt they were conscripts at some point so to literally answer your question; The Russian Government.

Who trained them to be hoodlums? No one I suspect, they probably just formed a crew and went for it.

[naomi24]

Why are they 'difficult to arrest'?

[mikey4444]

Yes, given Russia's policy on conscription, they are almost certainly ex-Army.

I have difficulty in understanding these numbskulls, I really do !

I dread to think what is going to happen at the next Russian game.

[ummmm]

Our nephew was planning on going but my OH put his foot down and said he wasn't allowed.

[youngmafbog]

Why are they difficult to arrest? Because the French Police are usually incompetent or lazy or both.

Mickey, it's easy to get sucked into it especially when you are young. Your mates are in a crew, you go along and then it just goes from there. Copious amount of beer does not help either. There is also something of a buz in the middle of a big fight.

[Tilly2]

It doesn't bode well for the World Cup, does it?

[Ken4155]

Also an element of fight or flight. Back in the day, if i was sat in a bar that was attacked by opposing fans, i do believe i would have stood my ground and fought back. Nowadays i would probably hide behind the biggest guy there.

[ummmm]

I've been in a pub that was attacked by away fans. It was really scary...

[mikey4444]

Ummm...your OH seems to have made the right decision !
I would certainly discourage any young relative of mine from attending.

[naomi24]

youngmafbog, I don't buy that. They manage to arrest other people. What makes the Russians more difficult to arrest?

[ummmm]

He would be going to support Ireland but still not worth the risk.

[youngmafbog]

You really think they would tell old farts like us if they were thinking of going for a fight?

I can assure you not.

Umm, if you were not in a crew then it would be scary, but if you are then the pack mentality kicks in and you just go for it.

The Police need to sit hard on it. When they started going in and grabbing people on the terrace who were starting to kick off it soon began to stop. Outside of the ground no alcohol should be served and anyone drunk and in football colours should be arrested, if only for the duration of the match.

You would be surprised at the jobs some people have who you would class as hooligans. I am not so sure now but years ago it was quite organised by people who were clever and knew how to whip up people. I doubt it has changed much.

[ummmm]

I understand it. I've seen the pack mentality kick in loads of times.

[mikey4444]

If I was ever stupid enough to go to one of these events, and found myself being attacked, I might just retaliate. But these people go specifically to cause trouble and attack and maim....that is the bit I fail to understand.

[Peter Pedant]

//Our nephew was planning on going but my OH put his foot down and said he wasn't allowed.//

sinsible - looking at the videos - when an anglo was beaten it was coincidentally by five attackers ....

[ummmm]

I read the book 'Congratulations you've met the ICF' which was their calling card...

Their mentality is brutal along with the beatings they dish out.

[mikey4444]

I think the French police should pull their collective fingers out, and get on with the job they are paid and trained to do !

[ummmm]

They aren't doing too badly. They aren't shy in letting off the tear gas. Football violence is on the decline so they just weren't prepared for it.

[anneasquith]

Mikey, don't blame the police..... Just what more do you want them to do ?