Daniel Hannan On Newsnight

[jim360]

Offering his vision for the future of the UK is reasonably balanced and pleasantly conciliatory tone. (Also a note to Evan Davies in the first video: Hannan is correct, and he personally has been consistent in this message about not expecting immigration levels to reduce).

But the vision he offers appears to include continued free movement of Labour, continued high immigration from the EU, continued membership of the Common Market with the rules it entails (but without political membership, ergo less ability to influence those rules at all), and as much of the status quo as possible.

Thoughts? Do people agree with Hannan's vision, or would they want something else?

[Jackdaw33]

Who is Daniel Hannan?

[Mamyalynne]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hannan

[Baldric]

Daniel John Hannan (born 1 September 1971) is a British politician, journalist, and author who is a Member of the European Parliament, representing South East England for the Conservative Party.

[Jackdaw33]

Can't be arsed to look him up. Fed up with the sore losers trying to rain on our parade.

[jim360]

Sorry, had hoped to post two links, here's the other one:



Oh, and Daniel Hannan has been one of the most outspoken critics of the EU, and has been a Tory MEP for 16 years.

[jim360]

Jackdaw... he was on your side.

[Jackdaw33]

My apologies to him, then. It's the wrong time of night for me to engage in research.

[Mamyalynne]

Rather too late for me to view too, due to eye meds - not that I'm a good political conversationalist at any time.

Will try to watch tomorrow Jim.

[jno]

bizarre, isn't it. He basically wants everything brexiters hate to stay, except presumably the bills.

I did post about this on someone else's thread today, asking if it was what they'd voted for, but nobody seemed to answer.

[baza]

I think we all knew that changes will take time to come in, after 40 odd years of being conned ,I am sure that another year or two will soon pass and we can decide our own destiny.

[Gromit]

He is arguing for us to join the European Economic Area (EEA). That allows us to trade with EU countries without having to be an EU member. Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway do this. The only problem is, we have to pay a membership fee which will be determined as if we are EU members.
So we won't save anything (we might if fact pay more because our rebate will not be included) and we will have zero, no participation in crafting the rules or voting rights.

[Svejk]

Nice try, jim. Twist what the man (Hannan, who is very good, btw) is saying. A bit like that creepy creep Davies (how the feck did he get that gig?) is doing.

[Jackdaw33]

//Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway \\

Forgive me whilst I ROFL.

[Svejk]

He's not arguing that at all, gromit. You people hear what you want to hear.

[jim360]

I'm not twisting what he's saying. He's saying it.

[Svejk]

He's not saying anything because that creep's creep Davies won't let him get a word in edgeways.
What he's trying to say is we will still have immigration from Europe, which everyone knew anyway, not free movement of people, which is a very different kettle of fish, as you know.
Sometimes in life we don't get what we want. Unless you want to be a big overgrown baby all your life, just accept it and move on.

[Gromit]

// Forgive me whilst I ROFL. //

Why ROFL?

[Jackdaw33]

Why ROFL?

//Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway \\ the three greatest players on the world stage.

[jim360]

If it helps, Svejk, here's Daniel Hannan speaking when he isn't being interrupted.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/06/daniel-hannan-today-for-once-we-can-choose-our-own-future-outside-the-eu.html

Whether I'm twisting it or not, Do you agree with his vision as *he* expresses it? If not, why not?

[Gromit]

Jackdaw/svejk,

That is precisely what Hannan is saying. It may have been too subtle for you, but joining the EEA is the plan.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2015/10/daniel-hannan-mep-norways-relationship-with-the-eu-is-better-than-being-a-member-but-we-could-do-even-better-than-that.html

And he also says it here...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-brexit-would-look-like-for-britain/