Jimmyk Is Losing It!

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244
If she thinks the Scottish Parliament can veto Brexit she's having a turkish. Under what "rule" could that happen?

[jim360]

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf

See section 70, page 19. I don't know if this is necessarily the case, but the nature of devolved parliaments may require consent from them.

[ToraToraTora]

thanks, jim, sounds a bit flakey.

[Togo]

Looks like the lawyers are soliciting again. Vile bunch of users. No situation is bad enough that a lawyer cant make worse.

[New Judge]

Yes this highlights the ridiculous nonsence of "Devolved Parliaments".

However, without ranting on, I believe Ms Sturgeon's angle is that the Scottish Parliament has discretion when implementing EU law pertaining to matters devolved to them. She has sought to extend this to UK law (which is what will have to be repealed/amended to effect Brexit).

I know it's early days and disappointment is widespread, but I really don't understand why the result cannot be accepted. None of this would have arisen had the vote been to Remain. There were never any caveats or opt-outs mentioned in the campaign (though Ms S. did mention her independence plans, which was right and proper). This suggestion, however misguided, is not right and proper. It was a UK referendum; Scotland voted only two years ago to remain part of the UK (which was a choice never givern to the English). They need to dry their eyes and move on instead of behaving like spoilt children.

[Togo]

Judges not included in my little tantrum.(^_*)

[ToraToraTora]

well if it comes to it, westminster will just have to un devolve and make the Scottish Parliament just another odd looking building.

[Baldric]

Maybe we should have an English Referendum on Sccotland remaining part of the UK?

[Baldric]

Scotland Even ^^^^ grrrr!

[douglas9401]

The 'rule' is a little known one outwith central Scotland.
Commonly referred to as 'The Nippy Wee Sweetie' the bare bones are:
Sit doon, shut it, I'm in charge and if yeez ever EVER want to progress in the Shortbread Senate ye'd best keep a civil tongue in yer heid. Jist have a wee keek at some o' the roasters who dared tae front me up, they're a' 'political commentators' noo on BBC (spits) Parly channel.
The reading usually ends with the stamping of a Jimmy Choo or similar and a huffy glower from beneath unusual hair.

[New Judge]

So you're not a fan, then, doug? :-)

[EDDIE51]

The EU council of ministers has already expressed support for Nicola's stance and said a joint application from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to join the EU as a joint entity would be welcome!

[jim360]

You're welcome TTT. Whatever this means, it's clear that Brexit is going to be messy and painful, and will drag out far, far longer than anyone would have hoped for.

[Jackdaw33]

Wales voted OUT.

[EDDIE51]

Wales may have voted 'out' but the prospect of joint EU membership without the English and the extra £billions funding they will be allocated is likely to change a few minds.

[Jackdaw33]

Historically and legally, Wales is part of England.

[EDDIE51]

They have their own parliament now Jackdaw. Separation from the UK has become a real possibility!

[New Judge]

No, they have an “Assembly” Eddie. Quite a different thing. We need Mikey here but I don't think even the most ardent of Welsh Nationalists would aadvocate such a move.

Of course the eagerness of the Scots (and presumably the Welsh and N. Irish) to get their hands on EU lucre (aka other nations’ contributions) following the UK’s departure may have to be tempered a little. Only five nations are net contributors to the EU budget. The second largest contributor has just voted to leave, the economy of one of the others (Italy) is in absolute tatters so there may not be quite so much dosh to go round.

[Old_Geezer]

What with Sturgeon up north and McGuinness across the water, it seems every troublemaker is grabbing the chance to cause difficulties whilst the government is changing party leaders; using Brexit as the most feeble of excuses to fail to justify it. Shame on all of them.