Note To Gromit On Article 50

[sp1814]

Gromit

You referred to Article 50 on a previous thread.

So I did some digging.

Have you seen this?

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&;utm_campaign=i100

Holy...flipping..cow...!

[fiction-factory]

That article has been discussed in some depth before. Those who had pressed strongly for Brexit thought it was nonsense/sour grapes from a leftie/Anti Britsih traitor. Some of those who thought we should Remain thought there was some merit in it.
Time will tell. The first sign will be if Boris stands for leader

[ToraToraTora]

some other eejit put that old pony out at the weekend, complete and utter tosh.

[sp1814]

TTT

But why hasn't Article 50 been invoked yet? Do you think that David is holding off so his successor will have to invoke (poison chalice and all that)?

[fiction-factory]

Probably, sp. I can understand why. It's better if the person who starts it off is also the person who finishes it.

[ToraToraTora]

Because when it is the clock starts, the PM wants the new man to do it, that is why we must have a Brexit PM, ie Boris. The PM stood up in the commons yesterday and pledged to implement the decision of the public. End of. that's in Hansard now. All this posturing by the sour grapes brigade is getting silly. There will be a revolution in this country if this is welched on.

[-Talbot-]

I'm surprised you needed this article to enlightened you, sp.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Indeed...I wasn't sure about the implications until I'd read it.

[Booldawg]

Seems like both France and Germany would be keen to invoke it for us! Says a lot about our standing in Europe when other member states are happy to get rid of the 2nd largest financial contributer....

[Gromit]

Yes, someone emailed me something on that yesterday.

It chimes with the theory that Boris never thought Leave would win. He thought Remain would win, but Cameron would be forced out in September and he would be the natural heir.

If it is true, Cameron has been very smart. There has puzzlement of how to get Article 50 through the Commons which has a built in Remain bias. It would be amusing if the new Tory Prime Minister never sends Article 50 there at all.

History is being written as we watch. Many many pivotal moments in peoples' careers are taking place. What they do (or don't do) now, will make or break them.

[ToraToraTora]

The right on brigade spent most of the last 6 years telling us Cameron was a moron, now he's a kin genius! PMSL. Keep munching the SGs

[jim360]

I don't think this makes him a genius but it could be the whole "from hell's heart I stab at thee" vibe.

Triggering Article 50 should happen as soon as possible, but not sooner.

[tamborine]

Is it possible we could lose Gibralta to Spain, since Brexit absolves EU support ?

[Khandro]

"The comment, which was picked up on Twitter, has been shared thousands of times."

And printed in The Independent, what a Laugh, what a rag.

[Gromit]

I doubt Cameron hatched the plan (if it is a plan).

It would explain why Osborne has quickly ruled himself out of reckoning

[Old_Geezer]

"will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?"
Of course you would. It is the will of the people that you propose to represent, and a democratically arrived at decision. Only those not wanting their party top survive and hoping to have it's place taken by UKIP, would do otherwise.

It takes a strong politician to make those decisions and see it thorough but anyone who felt that can't make the big decisions and achieve the change needed ought not go into politics at all, or if they do, stay as lobby fodder and not accept any higher position. (Or maybe become article writes and cause trouble ?)

The claim that it's inevitable Scotland will break away is the sort of fear story I'd hoped was no longer going to be put out now the referendum is done. It seems some article writers can't give it a rest.

Ireland too. There is no reason not to retain the common travel area and so (depending on withdrawal negotiations) change can be minimal. At best no noticeable change, at worst having to flash passports and pay tariffs of goods. Neither should cause a massive issue unless governments/politicians are determined to cause trouble.

Laws do not have to immediately be rewritten. Existing law that works can remain in place until one gets around to reviewing and improving it (as it many case we now, at last, can do).

I think this article writer is in fantasy land. And it isn't helpful.

[Old_Geezer]

...writers...

[Old_Geezer]

...as in many cases...

[naomi24]

Golly gosh! More sensationalism! Who'd a thunk it? Who is this bloke anyway?

[-Talbot-]

Posted 2 days ago by Narjas Zatat in news


posted by Talbot 3 days ago.

Talbot-
We're not out of the EU and it is possible we may not leave at all.
Why didn't Dave invoke article 50 ... Who will press the button?
It is not legally binding. We have been asked for our opinion but as yet that is all.

C'mon this is politics anything is possible.




-Talbot-
I didn't mean invoke it the day after OG I meant stay around and invoke it.
There will be talks somewhere of how the situation can be reversed.
11:14 Sat 25th Jun 2016



It was bloody obvious.

[Gromit]

How Boris could Take the poison chalis and win.

Boris is not a true brexiter, he joined leave to take Cameton's job. He did not expect Remain to win. He wanted Cameron wounded, to take his job in October.

Boris isn't stupid, he must know that invoking Article 50 will be economic suicide. He has two options
1. Not to stand for leader - but that would look cowardly.
2. Or become PM but get concessions from the EU for not invoking Article 50.

As the nation is pretty evenly divided, he would instantly be a saviour to half of them.