Food For Thought

[whiskeryron]

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&;utm_campaign=i100

[Gromit]

Already linked to here

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1499656.html

[Gromit]

Boris doesn't seem in a rush to declare his candidature.

But it is inconceivable that he wouldn't stand.

[whiskeryron]

We haven't heard the last of this by a long shot.

[ToraToraTora]

as I have said 3 times already, load of old pony. The PM said yesterday that we are going to implement the decision of the people. The number of ways the SGB are coming up with to try and defy democracy is astounding.

[sp1814]

TTT

No...that's not what the link is about at all.

It's not about subverting the will of the people, it's hand grenade. I don't believe for one minute that leaving the EU is all bad news. There will be some very positive aspects.

Hovever, there absolutely some pain and tricky speed bumps to negotiate. Whoever presses the button will be the person held responsible by both Leave and Remain for ANYTHING they see as being bad for UK PLC.

If I were a Tory right now, I'd want to contest the next but one leadership race...not this forthcoming one.

[ToraToraTora]

leave won, lets leave, end of. Anything else is tripe. SP you asked the question before the vote about accepting the result, I said I would, so did you, so accept it, and that goes for all the SGB.

[ToraToraTora]

"Whoever presses the button will be the person held responsible" more equine guano, all those who voted leave are responsible, I accept my part of the blame. This is nothing to do with who initiates it, it was initiated on June 23rd, independence day, now, government, get on with it.

[jim360]

I think essentially the scenario being talked about, TTT, is something like: pound continues to crash, markets continue to tumble across the world, business ventures continue to be withdrawn, and just generally before we even get to triggering Article 50 we are in the grip of a recession. Under those circumstances, might the person whose responsibility it is to trigger Article 50 lose his nerve? If so, might it be the sensible choice? Leaving the EU is the will of the people, but in the scenario where everything is going horribly wrong, doesn't it just become too stubborn to go through with what would be then just too damaging a choice to pursue? Sometimes you just have to accept that circumstances have changed beyond the point where your original case, however well-intentioned at the time, is no longer reasonable (hint hint, Corbyn...)

At the moment signs are that, after the panic of the last four days, markets are stabler today, but it's more of a metastability really, and there are still a couple more months of this wait-and-see period to come. At the moment, triggering Article 50 is a matter of when, not if. On balance, I think everyone should hope it stays that way.

[ToraToraTora]

All irrelevant, the people have spoken, implement, now. I'll b1l0ody trigger it if you like. It won't be the individual to blame, blame the 52% if their is any blame. There have been very minor tremors anyway, the uncertainty does not help, just get it done.

[jim360]

Well, fair enough. But if someone told you that you had to walk south and not to stop, and you came to a sheer 200ft cliff, would you walk off the edge or turn away?

I don't think that's what is actually going to happen. As far as possible, we should obviously honour the result of the referendum. If it gets to the point of being obviously national suicide to do so, I hope that our new PM will have at least the option of saying "sorry, but I cannot do this".

[Gromit]

It will be months fot Article 50 to be invoked, if ever.

[jno]

inclined to agree with Gromit, I don't see it happening this year. I'm not sure Boris, if it is he, will ever do it; he's already trying hard to find alternatives, though even the Germans are pointing out that leave means leave (just as TTT is).

[ToraToraTora]

It'll be invoked, before the party conference as the PM said last Friday. Stop dreaming.

Are you seriously saying gromit that there is a way that the referendum can simply be ignored? I don't think so.

[youngmafbog]

I'm sure Angie will sort it out if the Tories are too weak to do it.

The EU could get massacred (and even collapse) more than the UK if some certainty is not put in place in the next couple of months. Remember the majority of the EU are secretly glad to see the back of us, we have always been the brake to EU utopia of one German master state. (Now where have I seen that before ?)