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The Kinnocks are irrelevant, the Tory Party isn’t in disarray, and as for salvaging what Peter Pedant describes as economic advantages, to whose real economic advantage is it that we remain in the single market which carries with it the obligation to allow the free movement of people, one of the fundamental principles the majority of the electorate...
21:59 Sun 03rd Jul 2016
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fine mike but why do you expect UKIP to disband until we are actually independent?
Not doing you research very well today are you Togo ?

From your link ::::"As an MEP, Glenys earns £57,000 a year"....blah, bah, blah.

No, she isn't an MEP !

Its all in Wiki if you can bother to look !

If mikey says UKIP are finished, you just know they're going to probably overtake the 2 Labour Parties by 2025.
If mikey says UKIP are finished, you just know they're going to probably overtake the 2 Labour Parties by 2025.
Togo's link is 11 years old as it quotes Kinnock's age as 63 whereas he is 74 this year.
//Its not as if they [The Tories] hadn't had much practise in choosing someone in recent years is it ? //

Ahhhh, poor Mikey. The Corbyn pantomime must smart a bit.
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UKIPs work will be done when we have extracted ourselves from the EU, that has yet to happen, until then they can stay in Brussels gumming up the works as best they can.
Quite, TTT. Some folk, as Nige said, are still in denial.
//until then they can stay in Brussels //

There should be no question of them staying. We're still a member and they are our elected representatives.
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to be fair mikey has had a bad year....
- Tory governemnet
- Tory local MP
- Labour elect a Leader with no hope
- UK vote to leave EU
- Labour disintegrate
I don't blame him looking around for some "good" news, still to come...
- UK actually do leave the EU
- Labour elect a new leader
- 2020 Tory landslide
- Labour disintegrate.
chin up mikey.
Shouldn't kick a man when he's down, TTT☺
You forgot 'the clown who had no chance' becoming the Republican candidate in the US, tora.
Very true, Svejk.
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well all this referendum stuff has taken the heat of President Elect Trump I suppose.
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Mikey your fascination with the Tory party borders on voyeurism. You have not, as far as I can discern, made a single post with any enthusiasm for your beloved Labour lemmings of late( if ever). You put me in mind of the reclusive and isolated social loner, who peeps furtively from behind his or her shabby net curtain, watching a neighbour tidy and make his front garden presentable and pleasant, whilst his own is overgrown with weeds and full of the detritus of winters past. But convinced in his own mind that he was capable of doing a better job of it.
Both main parties are in disarray. The only difference us that one has a leader that wants out whilst the other has a leader that wants to stay put. Both need to sort themselves out a darn sight faster than they seem able. Neither seems to have a good candidate for the top job. It's a bad time for both of them to be tearing themselves apart.
I don't think the Tories are in disarray. Cameron has asked for his P45, his prerogative. They are now merely trying to fill a vacancy. Corbyn has been given his P45 but refuses to clear his desk.
"...saying people want more than "a Brexit prime minister"."

May, may well be right. Just because something is a necessity doesn't guarantee that it's sufficient.
Well neither seems to be united to me.

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