Can The Plp Force Corbyn Out Against The Will Of The Unions?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36697547
I think they'll struggle. Jeremy will get enough MPs to stand in any new contest and would re win. Should the Blairites break away and form a new party?

[naomi24]

I imagine most Labour voters have lost the will to live – and if they haven’t they really ought to think very seriously about what they are supporting. Rather than concentrating on brokering peace within the party, Mr McCluskey needs to think about brokering something tangible to the electorate.

[ToraToraTora]

that's the problem naomi, the dam insolence of the electorate! How dare they vote "incorrectly".

[naomi24]

... or at all!!

[EDDIE51]

TTT he does not need ANY MPs support to stand in a new leadership contest. As the outgoing leader he gets an automatic place in the new contest unless he refuses to stand.

[ToraToraTora]

I see, well then he stays if he wants to unless they change the election method which would need the same people to agree anyway so JC stays. Labour better get used to it.

[Jackdaw33]

//Should the Blairites break away and form a new party?\\

Tried that once in 1981 with the Gang of Four and the SDP. Not a resounding success.

[Gromit]

As I have said on an earlier thread, someone should challenge Corbyn, he will win and then he should resign. It is convoluted, be the PLP cannot be allowed to steal the power.

There is a place for a new party, 'The New Democrats'. It would be some lefty Tories, Blairite Labour and the remaining dregs of the Liberals.

[Jackdaw33]

Gromit, see my previous post. We've been there, done that, loads of T-shirts but no cigars.

[Gromit]

In politics, timing is crucial (ask Boris).

Because the SDP failed 30 years ago, does not mean it will fail now. Different circumstances, different sets of problems to overcome, different battles.

There needs to be a left of centre opposition, and there isn't one now. So something has to fill the vacuum.

[youngmafbog]

I think I agree with Gromit. One cannot just point to a previous failure and say that history will repeat itself, especially when the circumstances are totaaly different.

Not sure about the 'New Democrats', what would they call themselves in 20 years time?

Personally I would not be surprised if Corbyn stepped down once he had savaged Blair (and stuck him in jail where he belongs) over the Chilcott enquiry. That's assuming it si not a complete whitewash. Which it probably is on reflection.

[mushroom25]

yep, sir john has a great big tin of snowcem.....

according to a report in today's Metro, the "coup" to oust corbyn is now over. so there probably won't be a leadership election.

[EDDIE51]

What do you think of the 'Lib Dems' making a comeback in light of the two main parties being more interested in tearing themselves apart rather than fighting an election?

[ToraToraTora]

nope, limp dums will be in the wilderness for some time yet. They should merge with Blairit Labour and start a new party.

[naomi24]

Eddie, //the two main parties being more interested in tearing themselves apart //

As far as I can tell only one of the two main parties is tearing itself apart - and it isn't the Conservatives. They are simply in the process of choosing a new leader. Nothing unusual about that.

[youngmafbog]

Yes, the Tories are not tearing themselves apart at all.

Their leader stepped down(as he said he would), a new date is set and an organised leadership contest is underway.

Labour on the other hand ......

[EDDIE51]

TTT merging with 'Blairite Labour' is exactly what I meant. All we are not sure of is the name for the 'new' party.

[Jackdaw33]

The problem for the PLP is that while Corbyn retains the support of the constituencies they cannot force him out openly or there will be mass de-selections.

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT merging with 'Blairite Labour' is exactly what I meant. All we are not sure of is the name for the 'new' party. " - worthy of it's own post eddie.

[Gromit]

The will of the Unions is irrelevent. 60% of the members voted for Corbyn it is their votes that should not be swept aside by the arrogant self important MPs.