What D'you Think Of This ?

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-over-1-000-barristers-053829124.html

[New Judge]

“That's from a total electorate of 46.5 million, which is significantly less than the 65.1 million people who live in the UK.”

“So, "the wishes of the people that cared enough to vote and were allowed to vote" would be strictly accurate, but more people weren't allowed to vote than voted for Brexit - mainly children, prisoners and immigrants, I assume.”

Unfortunately, non UK citizens, along with babes-in-arms did not get the vote. The prison population (around 60,000) would not have made a significant difference however they voted. Perhaps some changes must be made. All 65m will have to be escorted (or carried) to the polling booth and watched over whilst they cast their vote to ensure they do not spoil their papers! The “will of the people” can only be gauged by asking them. If they can’t be bothered to answer then their “will” cannot be all that strong. To suggest that those who did not vote would probably have voted for doing nothing is a strong argument. You’re probably right because those who can’t be bothered to vote usually prefer to do nothing. Hardly a ringing endorsement for remaining bearing in mind that the “status quo” was not an option on offer in view of the changes the EU will undoubtedly go through.

Good grief! I know now why I’m trying (but not succeeding very well) to keep out of this nonsense!

[Ellipsis]

Me too New Judge. :(

As I stated earlier, I'm not even arguing against the implementation of the Brexit vote - just the use of phrases like "the wishes of the people" as justification ...

[naomi24]

Governments are elected on 'the wishes of the people' but I've never known one that suits everyone. This is a silly argument.

[Ellipsis]

You fail to see the difference between this and an election, Naomi.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, what I do see is people saying things they wouldn't say had the result of the referendum been reversed.

[Ellipsis]

You mean like this interview that Nigel Farage gave to the Mirror on 16 May, Naomi?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

"The Ukip leader speaks to the Mirror’s Associate Editor Kevin Maguire and warns that a '52-48 result would be unfinished business'"

[retrocop]

Then, breaking into a laugh, he added: “Yes, we’re going to win! What I really think is the unending whine of Cameron negativity is turning people off voting, all this Doomsday stuff.



“This referendum will come down to who has the passion and beliefs to go to the local primary school and put a cross on a piece of paper.

“The real question is at the end of the day do we want to run our country? Are we proud of who we are? Are we happy to be just a star on somebody else’s flag or do we want to be an independent nation?”





There is your answer. He is basically saying we will win so stuff your hyperbole. It is academic. We will win and he was RIGHT. Argue as much as you like but this man puts his money where his mouth is.
He is a confident winner!!

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, No, not like that. Farage wasn’t calling for another referendum immediately after the first as you ‘Remainers’ want – he simply said that a ‘Remain’ vote would mean unfinished business for him – just as the ‘Remain in the UK’ vote meant unfinished business for Nicola Sturgeon – but don’t let truth muddy a handy bit of spin.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Unfortunately, non UK citizens, along with babes-in-arms did not get the vote" Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK had a vote.

[Ellipsis]

He is saying, had he lost by 52-48, he'd have wanted another go.

All the Remainers who want another go are saying is the same thing. Unfortunately for them they're using waffly legal language to argue for it, rather than the simpler argument - it has not been proven that most people want leave.

[jno]

but many UK citizens living abroad did not? In spite of the fact that they might be the ones most directly affected? Strange.

[retrocop]

//it has not been proven that most people want leave.//

The ticks on the leave box say differently. End Of .

[Garaman]

To me the biggest threat to Brexit isn't a handful of barristers, but the cock-up that that the Leave camp is managing to make out of a win. We accept that we are leaving, can we see some leadership please?

[retrocop]

jno
Sqad is an ex pat living abroad. He wasn't allowed to vote.
My F.I.L. born and bred in Edinburgh and qualified in medicine there was NOT allowed to vote in the Scottish referendum because he was a GP in Birmingham . Tough. Those were the rules set out. A Polish chambermaid living and working in a Edinburgh hotel for 3 weeks after arriving in the UK was allowed a vote in the Scottish referendum. How fair was that ??? Tough. My F.I.L. wasn't happy but he got over it and didn't bleat foul. He understands what democracy means and did get off his butt to vote in the EU referendum. At least he was allowed to do that in his 90s.

[Old_Geezer]

The camps, leave or otherwise, are not in control of what happens next. The conservative party is. And they've managed to swing a win for a remainer to head the party. So if any camp is making a hash of it ... Note that politicians were mainly for remain and an easier life. Curious how they managed to get a remain supporter in while others made faux pas and opted out, or were left unsupported. Yes Prime Minister.

[Garaman]

//And they've managed to swing a win for a remainer to head the party//

It matters not to me, but they didn't really need to swing anything, you handed it on a plate.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, //He is saying, had he lost by 52-48, he'd have wanted another go.//

He is saying he’d have continued to work towards this country’s eventual exit from the EU. He wouldn’t have been tripping over his bottom lip, manufacturing 'statistics', crying 'foul', and demanding another referendum immediately. It’s all academic anyway. ‘Remain’ lost.

[Old_Geezer]

I didn't hand anyone anything.

And the actions of the candidates do not seem to add up to me, unless they were trying not to get anyone but May in.

[Garaman]

‘You’ in this case was intended to mean the Leave camp, OG, but of course you know that, and it is quite normal grammar. I took it that you were a spokesperson for the Leave camp as you have had much to say, but perhaps you have stood down as that seems a common trait. The Leave camp has made a complete mess of a victory so far and it is sad that you are so blinkered that you can’t even see that.

[Old_Geezer]

'tis not I who is blinkered. I state again that the issue is within the Conservative party and how they are reacting. How each candidate has ensured they manage to get out apart from May. Some in circumstances so unsophisticated one can only reasonably wonder if it was engineered by party mandarins (or civil service) to get that result. Trying to claim it was part of the leave camp's activity when the referendum is done, simply can't be justified.

(By the way, if you don't mean me personally I'd rather you chose not to say so.)