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A Mother Couldn't Get Any Worse Than This.....
could they?
If she wasn't born here, she should be deported!
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andy-hughes
// Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way? //
/// That was left on my post at 14:51 in
error. ///
Oh, and here was I thinking, you were about to come up with an answer?
// Do you think that these oversexed young single male's are going to stop attacking Western women, simply because they see Western males behaving in a more civilised way? //
/// That was left on my post at 14:51 in
error. ///
Oh, and here was I thinking, you were about to come up with an answer?
"I can be as aghast and horrified as anyone on here - the difference between them, and you and I - is that I am not willing to leap in with a knee-jerk reaction that ignores the circumstances of what has happened, and the situations leading up to it - and simply steams in with moral outrage and pointless posturing, which helps no-one."
Exactly Andy-Hughes, some people are quick to want to put set up the deportation cannon and firing people over the border or squeal in delight when they realise the story is of someones colour, religion they have a grudge against so that they can unleash all the bitterness,anger and outrage they hold in a special place for stories such as these.
This was not normal in any place on earth that I know of so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile.
We have to look at all avenues through a microscope in situations like these imo.
Exactly Andy-Hughes, some people are quick to want to put set up the deportation cannon and firing people over the border or squeal in delight when they realise the story is of someones colour, religion they have a grudge against so that they can unleash all the bitterness,anger and outrage they hold in a special place for stories such as these.
This was not normal in any place on earth that I know of so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile.
We have to look at all avenues through a microscope in situations like these imo.
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// Then we are in agreement - education takes place within a society - and it takes time. ///
What are you suggesting that we take them into Western homes so as to mix with western families and then at a later date they go on to further education in Western ways? //
You are - deliberately I think - constructing scenarios to which I have not even vaguely referred, and then putting them forward for me to try and explain my way around them.
This is rather tiresome, so let's stop it shall we?
You know from long experience what my views are about the education by which society advances itself, and it is nothing to do with 'classrooms' or 'inviting people to move in' or similar nonsense that you bowl in my direction.
If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere.
/// Then we are in agreement - education takes place within a society - and it takes time. ///
What are you suggesting that we take them into Western homes so as to mix with western families and then at a later date they go on to further education in Western ways? //
You are - deliberately I think - constructing scenarios to which I have not even vaguely referred, and then putting them forward for me to try and explain my way around them.
This is rather tiresome, so let's stop it shall we?
You know from long experience what my views are about the education by which society advances itself, and it is nothing to do with 'classrooms' or 'inviting people to move in' or similar nonsense that you bowl in my direction.
If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere.
andy-hughes
/// People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times. ///
Out come the history books I see?
/// What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in? ///
But you mentioned Asians, that may well be in this particular case, but other horrendous crimes have taken place in Europe and this country by peoples of other uncivilised nations.
I was a little apprehensive to label them uncivilised, but since you mentioned it, I thought it not too offensive.
/// People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times. ///
Out come the history books I see?
/// What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in? ///
But you mentioned Asians, that may well be in this particular case, but other horrendous crimes have taken place in Europe and this country by peoples of other uncivilised nations.
I was a little apprehensive to label them uncivilised, but since you mentioned it, I thought it not too offensive.
Talbot - //andy isn't excusing it ... he's explaining it. //
Thank you, but I believe what I am trying to do is look a little deeper past the immediate 'shock horror!' instant reaction, and look at the reasons why this horrible situation has arisen.
I am only speculating, based on the scant information that we have - but I still thank that beats 'Take her out and shoot her like vermin ...' as a mind set.
It's easy instantly to judge condemn and execute, but it's not humane.
Thank you, but I believe what I am trying to do is look a little deeper past the immediate 'shock horror!' instant reaction, and look at the reasons why this horrible situation has arisen.
I am only speculating, based on the scant information that we have - but I still thank that beats 'Take her out and shoot her like vermin ...' as a mind set.
It's easy instantly to judge condemn and execute, but it's not humane.
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times. ///
Out come the history books I see?
/// What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in? ///
But you mentioned Asians, that may well be in this particular case, but other horrendous crimes have taken place in Europe and this country by peoples of other uncivilised nations.
I was a little apprehensive to label them uncivilised, but since you mentioned it, I thought it not too offensive. //
You have got your mischievous hat firmly on your head today haven't you?
If you want to nit-pick my point about Asian immigrants, fine, score one to you.
Better now?
/// People have been arriving on these shores with unacceptable behaviours - and then settling and adapting, since Viking times. ///
Out come the history books I see?
/// What makes you think society and its abilities to evolve, has changed since Asian immigrants started coming in? ///
But you mentioned Asians, that may well be in this particular case, but other horrendous crimes have taken place in Europe and this country by peoples of other uncivilised nations.
I was a little apprehensive to label them uncivilised, but since you mentioned it, I thought it not too offensive. //
You have got your mischievous hat firmly on your head today haven't you?
If you want to nit-pick my point about Asian immigrants, fine, score one to you.
Better now?
Olivio
/// so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile. ///
Especially if one can level all the blame at a male rather than the 'weaker sex'.
And why not add the addition tag on him that he might have been a paedophile, that should just about let her off the hook.
/// so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile. ///
Especially if one can level all the blame at a male rather than the 'weaker sex'.
And why not add the addition tag on him that he might have been a paedophile, that should just about let her off the hook.
AOG - //Olivio
/// so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile. ///
Especially if one can level all the blame at a male rather than the 'weaker sex'.
And why not add the addition tag on him that he might have been a paedophile, that should just about let her off the hook. //
As I have pointed out earlier - attempting to explain a possible rationale for a set of circumstances is not the same as condoning or excusing it.
There is no 'hook' for this woman to be 'let off' - that should be obvious to anyone who has read the link.
/// so this leads me to the obvious conclusion that she's mentally ill and this may have happened to herself by her father who could have been a paedophile. ///
Especially if one can level all the blame at a male rather than the 'weaker sex'.
And why not add the addition tag on him that he might have been a paedophile, that should just about let her off the hook. //
As I have pointed out earlier - attempting to explain a possible rationale for a set of circumstances is not the same as condoning or excusing it.
There is no 'hook' for this woman to be 'let off' - that should be obvious to anyone who has read the link.
andy-hughes
/// If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere. ///
Obviously you don't like opposing views created on views that you seem to think you alone should be free to make, while asking others to just state "that they disagree".
Isn't the exchange of views constructed on what one's debating opponent puts forward the whole idea of debate?
/// If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere. ///
Obviously you don't like opposing views created on views that you seem to think you alone should be free to make, while asking others to just state "that they disagree".
Isn't the exchange of views constructed on what one's debating opponent puts forward the whole idea of debate?
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere. ///
Obviously you don't like opposing views created on views that you seem to think you alone should be free to make, while asking others to just state "that they disagree". //
Not so - I would not have spent the huge amount of time that I have on this site over the years if I simply wanted people to state that they disagreed with me, and nothing else.
// Isn't the exchange of views constructed on what one's debating opponent puts forward the whole idea of debate? //
Absolutely - but you are not exchanging ideas with me - you are constructing ever more fanciful scenarios in an effort to have me dismantle them, which is tiresome and pointless, and that is what I rowing back from.
Argue and disagree by all means - as we have, and do, but let's dial down the random scenarios shall we - they are not helping you or I, or the debate.
/// If you wish to disagree, then fine, but let's stop the word-tennis shall we - it's going nowhere. ///
Obviously you don't like opposing views created on views that you seem to think you alone should be free to make, while asking others to just state "that they disagree". //
Not so - I would not have spent the huge amount of time that I have on this site over the years if I simply wanted people to state that they disagreed with me, and nothing else.
// Isn't the exchange of views constructed on what one's debating opponent puts forward the whole idea of debate? //
Absolutely - but you are not exchanging ideas with me - you are constructing ever more fanciful scenarios in an effort to have me dismantle them, which is tiresome and pointless, and that is what I rowing back from.
Argue and disagree by all means - as we have, and do, but let's dial down the random scenarios shall we - they are not helping you or I, or the debate.
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