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What's A Little Anti-Semitism Among Friends Eh?
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// Norman Finkelstein, The American Jewish scholar is one of the world’s leading experts on the Israel-Palestine conflict and the political legacy of the Nazi holocaust. Apart from his parents, every member of Finkelstein’s family, on both sides, was exterminated in the Nazi holocaust.
I did post the map on my website in 2014. An email correspondent must have sent it. It was, and still is, funny.
Frankly, I find that obscene. It’s doubtful these Holocaust-mongers have a clue what the deportations were, or of the horrors that attended them. I remember my late mother describing her deportation. She was in the Warsaw Ghetto. The survivors of the Ghetto Uprising, about 30,000 Jews, were deported to Maijdanek concentration camp. They were herded into railroad cars. My mother was sitting in the railroad car next to a woman who had her child. And the woman – I know it will shock you – the woman suffocated her infant child to death in front of my mother. She suffocated her child, rather than take her to where they were going. That’s what it meant to be deported. To compare that to someone posting a light-hearted, innocuous cartoon making a little joke about how Israel is in thrall to the U.S., or vice versa…it’s sick. What are they doing? Don’t they have any respect for the dead? All these desiccated Labour apparatchiks, dragging the Nazi holocaust through the mud for the sake of their petty jostling for power and position. Have they no shame? //
I did post the map on my website in 2014. An email correspondent must have sent it. It was, and still is, funny.
Frankly, I find that obscene. It’s doubtful these Holocaust-mongers have a clue what the deportations were, or of the horrors that attended them. I remember my late mother describing her deportation. She was in the Warsaw Ghetto. The survivors of the Ghetto Uprising, about 30,000 Jews, were deported to Maijdanek concentration camp. They were herded into railroad cars. My mother was sitting in the railroad car next to a woman who had her child. And the woman – I know it will shock you – the woman suffocated her infant child to death in front of my mother. She suffocated her child, rather than take her to where they were going. That’s what it meant to be deported. To compare that to someone posting a light-hearted, innocuous cartoon making a little joke about how Israel is in thrall to the U.S., or vice versa…it’s sick. What are they doing? Don’t they have any respect for the dead? All these desiccated Labour apparatchiks, dragging the Nazi holocaust through the mud for the sake of their petty jostling for power and position. Have they no shame? //
gromit "she did not do anything anti Semitic" - still banging that old drum gromit, she thinks it was anti semitic: "Apologising in the Commons, she said: Anti-Semitism is racism, full stop. As an MP I will do everything in my power to build relationships between Muslims, Jews and people of different faiths and none."
She did not admit anti semitism and did not apologise for it.
You are just exploiting an innocent tweet and trying to make it into something which it is not. You are not really bothered about anti semitism or you wouldn't use it to make false claims for short term political gain.
Here is the Tweet again, and there is nothing remotely anti semitic about it.
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The level that the swivel eyed loons will stoop to score a petty point is shameful.
You are just exploiting an innocent tweet and trying to make it into something which it is not. You are not really bothered about anti semitism or you wouldn't use it to make false claims for short term political gain.
Here is the Tweet again, and there is nothing remotely anti semitic about it.
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The level that the swivel eyed loons will stoop to score a petty point is shameful.
I confess to not having looked into this case particularly deeoly, but the article shows she apologies for tweeting, presumably to get her suspension lifted; but I see nowhere where is says she confessed to either anti-Semitism or racism. Seems to be a bit of a storm in a teacup to me. Much like the Livingstone incident was.
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Mehdi often speaks with forked tongue, but here's a surprising moment of candour:
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And the main prayer of Islam (Sura 1) has a go at the Jews (the people on whom Allah's wrath has fallen) and the Christians (those who have been led astray).
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Thanks for an interesting detour. Despite reading the phrase many times before, in passing (perhaps due to skim-reading the, typically verbose, wiki articles) this was the first time it finally registered with me that Mecca was, in Mohammed's time populated by Jews. "How did they spread that far from their homeland?", I was prompted to ask myself.
Anyway, taking territory off one another is going to become inseparable from (mutual?) religious intolerance pretty soon. Convincing peacible (subtext: still trying to get laid) young teens of the need to get into situations where they might get killed, prematurely, has always involved the demonisation of the enemy. Demonisation depends on singling out whatever infinitesimal differences there may be, which might be reduced to just dress code, facial characteristics, daily habits, diet and, of course, matters of faith. And thus all racial hatred is born.
Thanks for an interesting detour. Despite reading the phrase many times before, in passing (perhaps due to skim-reading the, typically verbose, wiki articles) this was the first time it finally registered with me that Mecca was, in Mohammed's time populated by Jews. "How did they spread that far from their homeland?", I was prompted to ask myself.
Anyway, taking territory off one another is going to become inseparable from (mutual?) religious intolerance pretty soon. Convincing peacible (subtext: still trying to get laid) young teens of the need to get into situations where they might get killed, prematurely, has always involved the demonisation of the enemy. Demonisation depends on singling out whatever infinitesimal differences there may be, which might be reduced to just dress code, facial characteristics, daily habits, diet and, of course, matters of faith. And thus all racial hatred is born.
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I followed the link to Sura 2 and continued reading. The segment I quote (Overquote? ABEd?) is more apropos of another thread I posted to but it was perilously close to being spiked so I've put it here
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Some state that these verses teach compulsion, and contradict the "there is no compulsion" interpretation in verse Q.2:256[62][63] However, traditionally, these verses were understood differently: Qur'anic exegetes al-Baydawi and al-Alusi conclude that Q.9:5 refers to those pagan Arabs who violated their peace treaties by waging war against the Muslims,[64][65] while Ahmad Al-Maraghī explains that Q.9:29 means:
[i] "fight those mentioned when the conditions which necessitate fighting are present, namely, aggression against you or your country, oppression and persecution against you on account of your faith, [i] or threatening your safety and security, as was committed against you by the Byzantines, which was what lead to Tabuk.",[66] and therefore these verses don't teach compulsion.[67] While Muslims are obliged to spread the message, non-Muslims are not obliged to accept.[23][68][69][70] In general, war in Islam is not to coerce people into accepting faith, but rather to remove disorder, conflicts or oppression in the world,[71] as it hopes to establish justice, equity, peace and security.[56]
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Italics = my emphasis
So, my point there is that some Muslims are re-living an ongoing 7th century war. Imagine a British person from 3416, still banging on about WWII, like fascism was still a threat to our survival!
(Cautiously steering clear of invoking Godwin's law, there, even though you can tell the sentence was structured to name-drop).
I followed the link to Sura 2 and continued reading. The segment I quote (Overquote? ABEd?) is more apropos of another thread I posted to but it was perilously close to being spiked so I've put it here
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Some state that these verses teach compulsion, and contradict the "there is no compulsion" interpretation in verse Q.2:256[62][63] However, traditionally, these verses were understood differently: Qur'anic exegetes al-Baydawi and al-Alusi conclude that Q.9:5 refers to those pagan Arabs who violated their peace treaties by waging war against the Muslims,[64][65] while Ahmad Al-Maraghī explains that Q.9:29 means:
[i] "fight those mentioned when the conditions which necessitate fighting are present, namely, aggression against you or your country, oppression and persecution against you on account of your faith, [i] or threatening your safety and security, as was committed against you by the Byzantines, which was what lead to Tabuk.",[66] and therefore these verses don't teach compulsion.[67] While Muslims are obliged to spread the message, non-Muslims are not obliged to accept.[23][68][69][70] In general, war in Islam is not to coerce people into accepting faith, but rather to remove disorder, conflicts or oppression in the world,[71] as it hopes to establish justice, equity, peace and security.[56]
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Italics = my emphasis
So, my point there is that some Muslims are re-living an ongoing 7th century war. Imagine a British person from 3416, still banging on about WWII, like fascism was still a threat to our survival!
(Cautiously steering clear of invoking Godwin's law, there, even though you can tell the sentence was structured to name-drop).
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