Did A Toxic Cocktail Of Islamic Extremism And Mental Health Issues Lead To This?

[sandyRoe]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mass-stabbing-in-central-london-leaves-woman-dead-and-five-injured/ar-BBve9cw?li=BBoPWjQ

[Togo]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/russell-square-terror-attack-woman-dead-and-five-injured-following-knife-incident-in-central-london/ar-BBveCoN?ocid=spartanntp

This link has some of the info. that I posted.

[Peter Pedant]

"Mad fella stabs woman" - is not really new News

" Mad fella stabs woman and shouts .... "Aller Akber (I think - is that it? )" "

is a longish headline and has all the usual suspects on AB - saying - sorry screaming:

" Lets intern all muslims. or dark skinned people or olive skinned men with funny accents o and dont forget women in chadors O and deport their children somewhere, I dont know where but somewhere awful like N Scotland!" - [ and then there will be world peace ]

the mad fella and the mad reaction is just how the world is at present

[sandyRoe]

It's a mad world, my masters

[andy-hughes]

youngmafbog - //Mental Health seems to be the latest 'excuse' for all attacks. //

Why do you think it is an 'excuse'?

Surely it may be a reason - which is not the same thing.

[anneasquith]

Speculation speculation and yet more speculation. No doubt as the day unfolds the accurate information will be released by the media. Rip the lady who died, and speedy recovery to those injured.

[mushroom25]

//"Mad fella stabs woman" - is not really new News//

no it's not PP; sadly "care in the community" rarely does what it says on the tin - more like neglect in the community.

i don't know if this is an underlying cause in this case but there are too many instances for it to be a coincidence every time. wonder how many deaths will be needed before the government reaches the "we've got a problem" threshold?

[andy-hughes]

Mushroom - //no it's not PP; sadly "care in the community" rarely does what it says on the tin - more like neglect in the community.

i don't know if this is an underlying cause in this case but there are too many instances for it to be a coincidence every time. wonder how many deaths will be needed before the government reaches the "we've got a problem" threshold? //

Before the government realises that 'care in the community' is, as you accurately label it - 'neglect in the community' - they will need to stop enjoying that warm feeling caused by billions of pounds derived from shutting secure psychiatric institutions, demolishing them, and then selling the land off to house builders.

Why should they care - in-patients don't vote - no loss!

[vulcan42]

Is it just coincidence this happened the day after the police advertised there would be more armed police on London streets? I think it's a mistake to announce security changes, it can only help the would be terrorist, although terrorism may not be relevant in this case.

[andy-hughes]

vulcan42 - //Is it just coincidence this happened the day after the police advertised there would be more armed police on London streets? I think it's a mistake to announce security changes, it can only help the would be terrorist, although terrorism may not be relevant in this case. //

I think the strategy is two-fold - one it reassures the public that there are more armed police to protect them, and two, it advises terrorists that there is a seriously increased risk of them being shot if they start anything!

So it is a large heads-up to both sides of the terrorism remit - victims and perpetrators - only one of which will be pleased to hear about it.

[ummmm]

Andy - and some of the terrorists want to be shot so they die a martyr.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - //Andy - and some of the terrorists want to be shot so they die a martyr. //

That's true - it's an impossible situation.

[vulcan42]

andy-hughes, sorry, I must disagree with you on both counts, I think seeing more armed police on the streets actually increases public anxiety. I remember feeling unsettled on my first visit to Northern Ireland, a few years before the troubles started, seeing ordinary policemen walking around armed. Also announcing strengthened security can be seen as a challenge by terrorists and actually increases the risks.

[ummmm]

One time we stopped in London to ask a policeman for directions. When he turned round he had a gun and I cacked myself.

[Togo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3722890/Now-let-s-ve-got-London-wakes-Met-s-new-team-heavily-armed-police-patrolling-streets-Tube-stations-landmarks-Russell-Square-stabbing.html

Scroll down the pages on this link for image of the new CTSFO squad. You wouldn't as these guys for directions ummmm.( Not the first of the pictures of armed police, further down)

[andy-hughes]

vulcan42 - //andy-hughes, sorry, I must disagree with you on both counts, I think seeing more armed police on the streets actually increases public anxiety. I remember feeling unsettled on my first visit to Northern Ireland, a few years before the troubles started, seeing ordinary policemen walking around armed. Also announcing strengthened security can be seen as a challenge by terrorists and actually increases the risks. //

Absolutely no need to apologise.

Your comment does have weight - we will have to see which of us is right - it may be both, it may be neither.

[ummmm]

I'm used to it now. They're all armed at airports now, it's sadly become the norm.

[anotheoldgit]

Isn't the type of terrorism we now see and a mental health issue, just one of the same?

But whatever it is, it shouldn't be used to excuse either the act or those who commit them.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Gromit...wishful thinking for some on
here ! ///

Okay forget about laying the blame at terrorism, let's just lay the blame of stabbings and other such savage atrocities at the individuates themselves.

Better stop there before someone accuses me of racism or being an Islamophobic.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //Isn't the type of terrorism we now see and a mental health issue, just one of the same? //

I think there is an argument that anyone who actually deliberately maims or kills another person, whatever the advised motivation, has mental health issues.

//But whatever it is, it shouldn't be used to excuse either the act or those who commit them. //

I would not for one moment suggest that it should - and I don't believe that anyone else on AB would suggest such mitigation either.

An explanation by all means - but explaining something is very different from excusing it, as I have opined many times in debates.

[Gromit]

AOG,
We do not know yet if this was terrorism. It might be, but it might not be.

There could have been other factors like, a patient not getting his medicine, or a robbery gone wrong, or an argument that escalated.

The petpetrators of terrorism are often cannon fodder themselves, having low intelligence or an illness.