Cloud Cuckoo Land? Where Labour And The Limp Dums Absent On June 23Rd?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37413848
It's already been put to the people! For F\S!

[jim360]

Not really sure what your point is, but then that's no surprise. This time he's talking about a General Election should Theresa May decide to seek a mandate for her particular version of Brexit, rather than whether it should go ahead or not. But then, in the unlikely event that this did happen and the Lib Dems, campaigning on a platform of staying in the EU, won, there'd be some interesting issues as to "which democracy wins?"

I've suggested in the past that a General Election might happen before, or immediately after, Brexit negotiations conclude and think that either version would be sensible. It is rather up to May, of course, but then why not at least try and get the opposition parties as ready as possible if she does try to trigger an early election?

[dannyk13]

On which planet is Corbyn hoping to form a government?

[youngmafbog]

May cant just call for an election, at least not without 2/3 of ALL MP's.

The left are permanently in cloud cuckoo land and the limp dums, well - who are they?

Anyone told our Nige to brush off his soapbox ready?

[naomi24]

Haha! What a funny little man he is.

[ichkeria]

Thanks Jim. I was writing something very similar to your post (including the first sentence) but gave up.

You've saved me the trouble, and put it much better :-)

[ToraToraTora]

she's got a mandate for brexit, the cleanest you can get. Dreaming jim, dreaming, the PM is not going to commit ari kari.

[andy-hughes]

Since the much-touted Armageddon after Brexit has failed to materialise, I see no reason why Mrs May would call an election.

If she did, that would be time enough for Mr Corbyn to get his MP's sorted out - I think the idea of pretending and having a 'dry run' will solve none of his major issues.

[youngmafbog]

Those sour grapes still being chomped TTT

[jim360]

I prefer "hypothesising", in this instance at least. And anyway, I defy you to find a single example of a post where I've expressed a wish to block Brexit, or the like. Obviously I don't speak for all Remainers, but those I do speak to are largely in accord with the idea that, while wishing the result had gone the other way, the matter is settled for the near future and the result has to be honoured.

Wondering if there's a justification for May to [try to] call an early election doesn't undermine this. When I am drawing attention to the possibility of a "no Brexit" party winning, I'm mainly doing so to highlight the absurdities of our democracy that two parts of it could come into direct opposition to each other -- and then the question has to be which gains prevalence? I certainly don't expect it to be anything other than a hypothetical question, but it would be nice if people paid a little more attention to hypothetical flaws in our system and trying to fix these before they actually happen, rather than after.

For that matter, it's generally supposed that Labour as a force is broken in the near future, so it might even be in their interests to *block* an early election to try and protect their seats. Is this really how our democracy should work?

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But anyway. Returning to the topic, Corbyn, when he wins, has a responsibility to try and prepare the Labour party for all eventualities concerning elections. I don't think you need to worry about him threatening Brexit -- quite apart from his low prospects of winning in the first place, word on the street is often that he was in favour of leaving the EU all along, even during the recent campaign. So linking this to an attempt to block Brexit is bizarre, bordering on paranoid. No doubt some high-profile remainers would like to overturn the result, but they are in even more of a minority than Remainers as a whole, so you should stop complaining about it. It's their turn to moan and be ignored, if you like.

[Old_Geezer]

"in the unlikely event that this did happen and the Lib Dems, campaigning on a platform of staying in the EU, won, there'd be some interesting issues as to "which democracy wins"

In that unlikely event then the Liberals, as the largest party, would have the right to govern as they see fit, until the next election and sanity is restored; and we'd all have the right to ask for an investigation as to what the water company are adding to the water, assuming we could all think straight enough to put the sentence together.

[jim360]

I do hope you aren't implying that you don't trust the British people to use their votes sensibly overall in any given election, OG?

[ichkeria]

To quote Mrs DeathMask herself, "Brexit" means "Brexit", not "the-period-after-the-referendum-up-until-Brexit".

Armageddon is on hold :-)

[Old_Geezer]

Simply implying that we would surely all need to be drugged out of our minds for the Liberals to be voted into power.

[Jackdaw33]

Mrs Death Mask? Charming!

[agchristie]

OG > and we'd all have the right to ask for an investigation as to what the water company are adding to the water, assuming we could all think straight enough to put the sentence together.

That's not so daft as it sounds. When I got a letter from the Water Board warning of increased aluminium levels, I thought instantly it was the dastardly work of the Green Party.

[Gromit]

We had a referendum on Europe in 1975 and voted to stay.

That did not stop people for years campaigning for a second referendum, on the basis that Europe had changed and somehow that voided the 1975 referendum vote.

I am sure that the same could apply. At the conclusion of the Brexit talks a new Treaty will have been hammered out, let''s call it the 'Compromise Treaty'. It could then be argued that the voters on June 23rd had rejected the Lisbon Treaty EU, but the the new Compromise Treaty EU is different to what was rejected.

If June 23rd set a president that change is a reason for rejecting an earlier referendum result, then surely every change thereafter can also be a reason for another referendum?

[douglas9401]

For the last time, precedent. Jeez!