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Hate Crimes Have Not Risen By 57% Since The Eu Referendum.
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/// This eye-catching figure has certainly done the rounds in recent months, regularly bandied about by liberal commentators, the BBC and Left-wing newspapers. ///
/// Yet dig into its provenance and things soon start to smell distinctly whiffy. For the ‘57 per cent’ number was actually plucked from a single press release issued by the National Police Chief’s Council on June 27, four days after the EU ballot took place. ///
/// The document in question specifically stated that police forces had recorded ‘no major spikes in tensions’ since Britain went to the polls. ///
/// Yet dig into its provenance and things soon start to smell distinctly whiffy. For the ‘57 per cent’ number was actually plucked from a single press release issued by the National Police Chief’s Council on June 27, four days after the EU ballot took place. ///
/// The document in question specifically stated that police forces had recorded ‘no major spikes in tensions’ since Britain went to the polls. ///
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Period 2016 2015 Year to Year Rise
Week 1(Pre- referendum)1391 1092 27%
Week 2 (Post referendum)1827 1255 46%
Week 3 1623 1281 27%
Week 4 1658 1226 35%
Week 5 1863 1249 49%
Week 6 1787 1131 58%
Week 7 1470 1202 22%
Week 8 1394 1250 12%
Week 9 1384 1197 16%
Totals 14397 10883
Those are the number of hate crimes in the UK excluding Scotland and in the nine-week period, there has been an increase of 32.3% compared to the same period in 2015.
Week 1(Pre- referendum)1391 1092 27%
Week 2 (Post referendum)1827 1255 46%
Week 3 1623 1281 27%
Week 4 1658 1226 35%
Week 5 1863 1249 49%
Week 6 1787 1131 58%
Week 7 1470 1202 22%
Week 8 1394 1250 12%
Week 9 1384 1197 16%
Totals 14397 10883
Those are the number of hate crimes in the UK excluding Scotland and in the nine-week period, there has been an increase of 32.3% compared to the same period in 2015.
From the Independent dated July 8th:
Police have said the number of hate crimes recorded for the last two weeks in June has spiked by 42 per cent on this time last year.
A total of 3,076 incidents were recorded across the country between 16 and 30 June – a dramatic increase on the 915 reports recorded over the same period in 2015.
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Police have said the number of hate crimes recorded for the last two weeks in June has spiked by 42 per cent on this time last year.
A total of 3,076 incidents were recorded across the country between 16 and 30 June – a dramatic increase on the 915 reports recorded over the same period in 2015.
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AOG
What's your point?
What are you debating?
There patently was a 57% increase. That is what was reported at the time. Whether it's still at that level, we will have to see.
Looking at TCL's post, it looks like 32% is nearer the mark. Assuming the TCL can prove a supporting link, and 32% is an accurate statistic, that's still pretty disgusting, don't you think?
What's your point?
What are you debating?
There patently was a 57% increase. That is what was reported at the time. Whether it's still at that level, we will have to see.
Looking at TCL's post, it looks like 32% is nearer the mark. Assuming the TCL can prove a supporting link, and 32% is an accurate statistic, that's still pretty disgusting, don't you think?
//There patently was a 57% increase.//
You have not read the article have you? To save you the effort of clicking on it I'll put it here:
Yet dig into its provenance and things soon start to smell distinctly whiffy. For the ‘57 per cent’ number was actually plucked from a single press release issued by the National Police Chief’s Council on June 27, four days after the EU ballot took place.
The document in question specifically stated that police forces had recorded ‘no major spikes in tensions’ since Britain went to the polls.
However, its footnote added that 85 people had logged hate crime ‘incidents’ on True Vision, a website that records unverified allegations of such behaviour, during the four days in question, up from 54 during the corresponding period a month earlier.
What exactly did this mean? The police press release made things clear. ‘This should not be read as a national increase in hate crime of 57 per cent but an increase in reporting through one mechanism’ over a single 96-hour period.
But why let the truth get in the way of a left wing liberal agenda?
You have not read the article have you? To save you the effort of clicking on it I'll put it here:
Yet dig into its provenance and things soon start to smell distinctly whiffy. For the ‘57 per cent’ number was actually plucked from a single press release issued by the National Police Chief’s Council on June 27, four days after the EU ballot took place.
The document in question specifically stated that police forces had recorded ‘no major spikes in tensions’ since Britain went to the polls.
However, its footnote added that 85 people had logged hate crime ‘incidents’ on True Vision, a website that records unverified allegations of such behaviour, during the four days in question, up from 54 during the corresponding period a month earlier.
What exactly did this mean? The police press release made things clear. ‘This should not be read as a national increase in hate crime of 57 per cent but an increase in reporting through one mechanism’ over a single 96-hour period.
But why let the truth get in the way of a left wing liberal agenda?
sp1814
/// There patently was a 57% increase. That is what was reported at the time. ///
Take time to read the article.
*** However, its footnote added that 85 people had logged hate crime ‘incidents’ on True Vision, a website that records unverified allegations of such behaviour, during the four days in question, up from 54 during the corresponding period a month earlier. ***
*** This is demonstrably untrue. Or, to put things another way, Capita was shamelessly promoting its £600-a-head event by falsely representing unverified raw data that had been collected over the internet during a single four-day period in June. ***
*** When the Mail put this to Capita, the firm instantly deleted the 57 per cent claim from its promotional literature, describing its inclusion as ‘an innocent error’. ***
/// There patently was a 57% increase. That is what was reported at the time. ///
Take time to read the article.
*** However, its footnote added that 85 people had logged hate crime ‘incidents’ on True Vision, a website that records unverified allegations of such behaviour, during the four days in question, up from 54 during the corresponding period a month earlier. ***
*** This is demonstrably untrue. Or, to put things another way, Capita was shamelessly promoting its £600-a-head event by falsely representing unverified raw data that had been collected over the internet during a single four-day period in June. ***
*** When the Mail put this to Capita, the firm instantly deleted the 57 per cent claim from its promotional literature, describing its inclusion as ‘an innocent error’. ***
"Data obtained by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism from 40 of 43 police forces in England and Wales suggested reported hate crimes had increased by 20% last year, from 50,288 reports in 2014/15 to 60,225 in 2015/16.
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Crime Survey for England and Wales there were about 52,000 in 2014/15. The crime survey has not published its figures for 2015/16.
Based on responses to the survey, the ONS suggested there was actually an estimated 222,000 hate crimes per year."
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Crime Survey for England and Wales there were about 52,000 in 2014/15. The crime survey has not published its figures for 2015/16.
Based on responses to the survey, the ONS suggested there was actually an estimated 222,000 hate crimes per year."
THECORBYLOON
I don't think anyone is suggesting that there may be an increase of reported hate crimes, but that is the important word 'REPORTED' and that may be so due entirely to more awareness of various campaigns in getting more people to report such crimes.
And the rolling out of these campaigns around about the EU referendum time, doesn't necessarily make the result of the referendum the cause of the increase.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that there may be an increase of reported hate crimes, but that is the important word 'REPORTED' and that may be so due entirely to more awareness of various campaigns in getting more people to report such crimes.
And the rolling out of these campaigns around about the EU referendum time, doesn't necessarily make the result of the referendum the cause of the increase.
AOG
So what figure do you believe?
Whilst it's true that a causal link is difficult to prove, it does seem suspicious that there was an increase in reported numbers in the days after the vote. And that shouldn't come as a surprise, because at the time, there were multiple reports where the aggressors seemed emboldened by the Brexit report.
So what figure do you believe?
Whilst it's true that a causal link is difficult to prove, it does seem suspicious that there was an increase in reported numbers in the days after the vote. And that shouldn't come as a surprise, because at the time, there were multiple reports where the aggressors seemed emboldened by the Brexit report.
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