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She Talks The Talk, Will She Wal The Walk?
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A total change from Dave and Gideon.
If she sees this through she, and all of us, should be a winner.
Good luck Theresa.
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If she sees this through she, and all of us, should be a winner.
Good luck Theresa.
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The stuff about "international elites" is of course a great load of guff, but one thing which is encouraging is the apparent admission that governments have an important role to play - recent Tory philosophy has been almost to be ashamed of government: the "nothing to do with me guv, it's up to people to do it themselves".
Sadly it's all likely to get thrown off course by Brexit matters. But you never know.
Sadly it's all likely to get thrown off course by Brexit matters. But you never know.
I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say that when she was elected leader I called her insipid and toothless.
Her delicery, attitude and demeanour in today's speech, if the issues raised in it are actually addressed has led me to give her a fair amount of admiration and I honestly wish her every success, she certainly talked the talk as far as I'm concerned, I sincerely hope she walks the walk.
Her delicery, attitude and demeanour in today's speech, if the issues raised in it are actually addressed has led me to give her a fair amount of admiration and I honestly wish her every success, she certainly talked the talk as far as I'm concerned, I sincerely hope she walks the walk.
Give the woman a chance to implement things - she's come out fighting, not couched things in waffle and made decisions - no-one is going to please all the people all the time but at least she hasn't tried to get everyone on board by a load of universal platitudes. - she's stated what she's going to do and how she's going to do it. I for one am wholly behind her and think she's one of the very few politicians to have 'a pair'.
The Tories are clearly in the ascendancy at present and Theresa May, in comparison to Jeremy Corbyn, is like caviar and chips.
May has her hands firmly on the tiller and has a fantastic opportunity to become one of the best PM's we have ever had.
Choppy waters await but I think she will keep a true course and put the Great back in Britain!
May has her hands firmly on the tiller and has a fantastic opportunity to become one of the best PM's we have ever had.
Choppy waters await but I think she will keep a true course and put the Great back in Britain!
“The vision Theresa May has set out for Brexit is worrying, to say the least.”
What, Jim, you mean like a complete break with the EU, unhindered by any of its institutions, unbound by any of its rules, unshackled from its legal system, free of the burden of contributions. Also rid of the enormous cost of access to its "free" market. In this respect at least Mrs May, seems to have taken a crash course in the bleeding obvious and recognised that the price of access is simply not worth the rub. Doesn’t sound too worrying to me.
The difficulty that Mrs May’s party has with the divisions within is really of no relevance. Those divisions have been usurped by the result on June 23rd. It does not matter what the Tory Party wants; nor does it matter what Members of both Houses want. The issue was quite rightly put to the electorate and they have spoken. The uncertainty of the last three months has been quelled and Mrs May needs to get on with her plan that she outlined last Sunday.
In a few years’ time people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. In a few years more than that people will not only wonder why it took us so long to get out. As well as that they will look back in astonishment and ask how the UK ever got itself into a position where it had sacrificed its sovereignty to the enormouys degree that we have done progressively over the last four decades.
What, Jim, you mean like a complete break with the EU, unhindered by any of its institutions, unbound by any of its rules, unshackled from its legal system, free of the burden of contributions. Also rid of the enormous cost of access to its "free" market. In this respect at least Mrs May, seems to have taken a crash course in the bleeding obvious and recognised that the price of access is simply not worth the rub. Doesn’t sound too worrying to me.
The difficulty that Mrs May’s party has with the divisions within is really of no relevance. Those divisions have been usurped by the result on June 23rd. It does not matter what the Tory Party wants; nor does it matter what Members of both Houses want. The issue was quite rightly put to the electorate and they have spoken. The uncertainty of the last three months has been quelled and Mrs May needs to get on with her plan that she outlined last Sunday.
In a few years’ time people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. In a few years more than that people will not only wonder why it took us so long to get out. As well as that they will look back in astonishment and ask how the UK ever got itself into a position where it had sacrificed its sovereignty to the enormouys degree that we have done progressively over the last four decades.
ichkeria; Do you actually have anything positive to say on any subject? I can't think of anything you have ever said positively on any issue. I admit you once had an avatar which proclaimed how you 'sided with Turkey', but perhaps you overreached yourself on your one venture into the positivity and it became an embarrassment. What exactly do you stand for?
"Mrs May said the Brexit vote was a cry for a new start, setting out an agenda of state intervention, more workers’ rights, an assault on failing markets and a crackdown on corporate greed."
The FT's report.
Strange... if Corbyn said that (and it's unquestionably a Labour platform) there would be howls of derision about it being either the relentless spread of government interference (state intervention indeed!) or unachievable.
The FT's report.
Strange... if Corbyn said that (and it's unquestionably a Labour platform) there would be howls of derision about it being either the relentless spread of government interference (state intervention indeed!) or unachievable.
I’m not sure I share Mother Theresa’s view that the electorate were crying out for more state intervention. It was precisely because of (super)state intervention that Brexit was craved. The electorate was fed up with government of all levels and particularly incensed with the EU, over which nobody seemed to have any control whatsoever. It always strikes me as strange that governments (of all persuasions) create enormous problems for their citizens then seem to want great rounds of applause when they belatedly come up with solutions to tackle them.
More to the point, I'm not sure that Mrs May is proposing the kind of State intervention that Mr Corbyn and his colleagues seem so keen on.
More to the point, I'm not sure that Mrs May is proposing the kind of State intervention that Mr Corbyn and his colleagues seem so keen on.
I don't see why it's so confusing that Brexit might mean different things to different people -- whether or not they supported it to start with. For that matter, it isn't outrageous, nor is it a rejection of democracy, to still campaign in favour of remaining in the EU, or at least in favour of leaving it in an orderly fashion so that, in future, we can revisit the decision again if as a nation we see fit.
As to why it is worrying -- I don't know, it's just an impression. Maybe from Amber Rudd's idea of identifying foreign employees, or Theresa May's narrow definition of nationalism that dismisses out of hand the idea of feeling like a global citizen; or the intended restrictions on international students; or the expansion of arguably outdated institutions of Grammar Schools; or the inevitable exit from the single market that follows the clampdown on EU immigration. It may be the tip of the iceberg, or it may be an overreaction on my part. At the moment I don't know, and I will still try my best to reserve judgement properly until after all this has been decided. But it's hard to escape the feeling I had right from the beginning that Brexit would represent a step away from the world and not towards it. And I think that's the wrong direction. I hope very much that May can prove me wrong.
As to why it is worrying -- I don't know, it's just an impression. Maybe from Amber Rudd's idea of identifying foreign employees, or Theresa May's narrow definition of nationalism that dismisses out of hand the idea of feeling like a global citizen; or the intended restrictions on international students; or the expansion of arguably outdated institutions of Grammar Schools; or the inevitable exit from the single market that follows the clampdown on EU immigration. It may be the tip of the iceberg, or it may be an overreaction on my part. At the moment I don't know, and I will still try my best to reserve judgement properly until after all this has been decided. But it's hard to escape the feeling I had right from the beginning that Brexit would represent a step away from the world and not towards it. And I think that's the wrong direction. I hope very much that May can prove me wrong.
"language" -- quite a lot of people across the world speak English. And for the Francophone countries I can cope there too. Even trying to add Russian to my repertoire, although that's proving somewhat tricky. I don't feel a language barrier traps me in the UK, anyway.
"history..." Pretty sure that the UK's history isn't in isolation to the rest of the world.
"institutions..." Quite a few institutions are multinational these days.
"culture..." Historically these were different, but the UK's culture is an amalgam anyway, and as time moves on cultures are mixing even more today than ever before.
So I am fairly sure that on your four points above it's possible to feel that "global citizenship" is a thing. Or at least we are heading that way. I tend to think of myself as English first, British second, European third and global fourth, but I don't think that the gaps between these are all that pronounced -- and I am probably only "English" in the literal sense these days.
As I say, May's speech and vision for the future appears to be bound by the past. I don't see this as a good thing. But, as I also say, I hope I am wrong to be concerned.
"history..." Pretty sure that the UK's history isn't in isolation to the rest of the world.
"institutions..." Quite a few institutions are multinational these days.
"culture..." Historically these were different, but the UK's culture is an amalgam anyway, and as time moves on cultures are mixing even more today than ever before.
So I am fairly sure that on your four points above it's possible to feel that "global citizenship" is a thing. Or at least we are heading that way. I tend to think of myself as English first, British second, European third and global fourth, but I don't think that the gaps between these are all that pronounced -- and I am probably only "English" in the literal sense these days.
As I say, May's speech and vision for the future appears to be bound by the past. I don't see this as a good thing. But, as I also say, I hope I am wrong to be concerned.
v_e; //When you've stripped away all the narrow, local aspects of society which have traditionally bound people together - language, history, institutions, culture - what is this "global" thing do you think we're left with. I think it's a big hole./ /
Right on! and so is Mrs May in saying so. Cultural relativism, - the specious belief that all cultures and peoples are equal and so can just as well be grouped together, is now starting to (thanks to Brexit) unravel. Most countries may have an identity but it doesn't mean that they are completely homogenous from within. Here in S.W. Germany nobody says they are German, they are 'Swabians', a friend in Brittany would never say he is French, he is 'Breton', he even has a poster on his wall saying "200 years of resistance!". So what hope is there in the long term for the survival of the European fantasy, let alone talk of citizens of the world?
Right on! and so is Mrs May in saying so. Cultural relativism, - the specious belief that all cultures and peoples are equal and so can just as well be grouped together, is now starting to (thanks to Brexit) unravel. Most countries may have an identity but it doesn't mean that they are completely homogenous from within. Here in S.W. Germany nobody says they are German, they are 'Swabians', a friend in Brittany would never say he is French, he is 'Breton', he even has a poster on his wall saying "200 years of resistance!". So what hope is there in the long term for the survival of the European fantasy, let alone talk of citizens of the world?
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