Is Anyone Seriously Suggesting A Post Brexit Border With Roi?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37602445

[dannyk13]

Looks like a case of jumping the gun.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah one of the politicians is
they're all mad there you know - caused by Brexit I think

America and Canada agreed to have an undefended border since god knows when and have saved zilliions on it ( unlike the southen border )

[ToraToraTora]

The EU may insist on it but I don't think the UK/ROI will.

[Gromit]

I thought the Brexiteers wanted to "Take back control of our Borders".

Are you telling us we want to pretend we do not have a border with the EU in Ireland?
Ireland is a well known illegal immigration route to mainland UK. getting out of the EU was supposed to give us the power to keep out whoever we didn't want. Are we now saying we will not enforce this border, but instead leave it open?

[dannyk13]

Gromit
Who knows what will happen?

[ToraToraTora]

not at all gromit I would be more than happy to have a hard border personally but it seems the locals do not want that. So I was wondering what the likely situation would be post brexit.

[ToraToraTora]

A similar situation would arise if the Scexit+Scentry occurs.

[Gromit]

So the message is clear then.

" We will retake control of our borders, except the one border the UK has with the EU. "

[ToraToraTora]

no , I say take control of all borders, but I was suggesting that in reality they will not in the case of Ireland. Not sure why you are deliberately mis-understanding this gromit, run out of Sour grapes?

[mushroom25]

if the protestant parties in northern ireland are so anti brexit, they can always agree to cede to the republic.....

[Togo]

The R.O.I is showing alarm at the prospect of introducing border controls. Now let's say that the thousands if illegal immigrants should suddenly decide that they no longer "like" nasty Britain( especially if the handouts and ease of obtaining benefits was halted) and want to go to a EU destination. The crossing to N.I. would give them a border that they could cross with ease ( no controls remember) to the E.U. Would the Republic then demand border control?

[New Judge]

There has been no effective border between the UK and Ireland since partition in 1921 (bar some border checks during “The Troubles”). To suggest, therefore that, as part of Brexit, the UK should consider “regaining” control of a border which has never properly existed is somewhat stretching credulity. Ireland is not part of Schengen and has (roughly) the same measures in place to prevent illegal immigration as has the UK (except that, being a little farther away from mainland Europe they are less prone to invasion). There is no reason to believe that this will change post-Brexit. Of course if illegal migration to Ireland from the UK (or vice-versa) should become a problem then the matter will have to be revisited. Personally I don't think there will be such problems and the borders the UK seeks to regain control of are those that existed before 1973, not one that never existed. There are far more important things to sort out in the meantime.

[ichkeria]

There will be no border control. Partly as it would be a step back and partly because, as Gromit rightly implies, the 'taking our borders back' idea is nowt but an ill thought through slogan

[ichkeria]

There were border controls before the troubles new judge. I know because I went through them ...

[New Judge]

"There were border controls before the troubles new judge. I know because I went through them ... "

It depends what you mean, ikky. As far as I know there was never a need to produce a passport to travel in either direction (at least not since WW2, during which I imagine things were a little different). I don't know from first hand experience having never visited either NI or the south. But I have a few friends and contacts in both and they have never mentioned having to produce travel documents.

[ichkeria]

No, you did not need to produce travel documents NJ (but driving licence on demand), but there were customs checks.
I remember the customs officer in Donegal who had a goose called Maggie...
It was, admittedly, a more innocent time (in that sense :-) )

[jno]

http://www.thejournal.ie/border-controls-ireland-3018480-Oct2016/

Britain wants Ireland to strengthn border controls. But the only sanction they have if Ireland doesn't would be a hard border. It is I suppose an implied threat rather than a serious suggestion, but it's there all the same.

[Old_Geezer]

This was part of Project Fear wasn't it, and it didn't work anyway.
The border arrangements between Eire and Northern Ireland have nothing to do with the EU. And whilst one will expect it to be under surveillance as much after Brexit as before, there is no reason to expect there to be any massive change needed. It's more scaremongering.

[ichkeria]

Well, actually, potentially they have a lot to do with the EU.

Rep of Ireland = EU. N Ireland = NOT EU
So that means that there is an EU/non-EU land border.
This was one of the so-called "project fear" items which has a very solid basis in reality. Project "this is going to be a real issue" if you like. It is just a question of whether common sense and practicality wins over against rules and regulations.
And what I suspect will happen is that it will mean NI will effectively still be part of the EU to all intents and purposes, and the real border will shift east.

[Old_Geezer]

A fairly free movement border between Eire and Northern Ireland is beneficial to all so I disagree that the claimed threat has any legitimate basis. It is an agreement between two nations and nothing to do with the EU. It will be already being monitored and would have been very closely because of "The Troubles" and a desire to ensure undesirables do not pass freely: and will continue to be so after Brexit to ensure it doesn't become a soft entry to those who wish to illegally enter the UK.