Donald's Accusers Are Liars

[Bazile]

Well , she should know the man , shouldn't she ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37685909

[ummmm]

Yes...but he admitted it on tape so he either did do it or he lied about doing it.

[jim360]

Well, you'd have thought so.

To be fair, she has the right to defend her husband, and for the moment the allegations are unproven. Still, it's just very slightly ironic that Hillary Clinton has been vilified for taking the exact same stance with respect to those who accused Bill Clinton of similar offences.

I don't know who is right or who is wrong. It's just a sorry state of affairs when one of the two main presidential candidates is suspected of sexual assault (with at least one case due to be heard in court this year).

[jackthehat]

She wouldn't be the first woman to stand by her man whether she believed him to be guilty or not.....

[naomi24]

ummmm, on that tape from 11 years ago he wasn't talking about the women who have suddenly surfaced now to accuse him. I think these are the people she's talking about.

[jim360]

I'm not quite sure that the defence "Trump isn't guilty of these particular sexual assaults" is what Melania had in mind...

[Bazile]

Indeed , you could ask , what else is she going to say ; unless she is thinking of filing for divorce or something .

I wonder what the prenuptials say

[ummmm]

What..you think he only done it 11 years ago and then stopped?

[naomi24]

jim, you're spinning. That's not what she said or meant. I think you know that.

[anneasquith]

Well I'm astounded !!!!!!

[naomi24]

ummmm, I'm not getting into the locker room banter argument again. That's been done ad infinitum.

[jim360]

It seemed to be what you are saying, I mean. Melania is, I am sure, denying everything, and I am absolutely not criticising her for that.

[andy-hughes]

You would hope that Even Trump would have the courtesy to do his rutting outside the presence of his wife wouldn't you? I am sure even he can manage that.

So what goes on when he is at work, or travelling, or socialising, are all aspects of his life and behaviour about which she has no direct knowledge.

The point that strange women give Trump their phone numbers does give credence to the accepted concept that money and power are attractions - let's be honest, women are not attracted to his mellifluous voice, his leonine hair and his rugged sexual magnetism are they?

So fair enough - you would not expect a woman with ambitions to be First Lady next month is going to pop up and say that her husband is a moronic dissembler with the morals of a satyr and the behaviour patterns of a gormless testosterone-filled high school quarterback.

Would you?

[naomi24]

Jim, no that wasn't what I was saying. I was responding to ummmm when she said 'he admitted it on tape'. Cue the locker-room banter argument.

[jim360]

Well, look, the problem with the locker-room banter argument is that it ignores what happens before and after. Before, he described what he *did*; after, he basically went and did it, him and Billy Bush together, asking their co-host who she'd rather sleep with and that. It's cringeworthy and embarrassing and can't be dismissed as just banter.

[jackthehat]

I think it would be interesting to hear from Ivana and Marla...

[andy-hughes]

What I love about people like Trump - with his seriously delusional ideas about his own sexual charisma - is that men like him, who talk boastfully to other men about which women they would like to sleep with, have already reached the cast-in-stone foregone conclusion that said women are going to fall into bed with them gasping with a combination of unbridled lust and depthless gratitude!

Never underestimate the power of delusion!

[anneasquith]

Don't know where/when I read that ivana " signed " documents when she signed her divorce papers ?

[naomi24]

jim/andy-hughes, you know no more about him than anyone else - and yet you continue to latch on to spiteful gossip - and broadcast it.

andy-hughes, //Never underestimate the power of delusion!//

A glaring irony there.

[jim360]

Some relevant stuff on that here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-ex-wife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html

30 years ago, Ivana Trump accused her then husband of, effectively, raping her. She has since climbed down from the use of that word, although in a way that seems to me to be about avoiding trouble with a gag order than a heartfelt denial that the initial accusation was false after all.

So that's his ex-wife's view. Make of it what you will.

[jim360]

Also, Naomi, for crying out loud, which part of "this man is running for the highest office in the land, therefore his character deserves to be put under severe and exacting scrutiny" is too difficult for you?